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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 8:44 pm 
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"Tá bród agam as m'iníon Aoife. Inniu, tá sí ag tosú i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach."

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 8:57 pm 
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steenson86 wrote:

No please a breakdown of errors is always helpful. Please understand also that it is not that i do not want to use your translation, it's just i am not sure it is how i would have translated it, so I would rather have my own version as such and learn from any mistakes i make in that. hopefully that makes some sort of sense, it does in my head anyway.


No, not at all. it recommend that you get three to agree before choosing anyway. lughaidh and Redwolf are very knowledgeable of Ulster Irish, so they might have something that would be more suitable to Ulster Irish. I know myself that what I have would change quite a bit for Munster Irish. A future tip, I would caution against the 'my own version' approach to language learning though, because the way you idiomatically say something in English may not be the same as how you'd say it in Irish.

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So moving on from the errors you have pointed out, i have corrected my sentence to be :

"Tá bród agam as m'iníon Aoife. Inniu, Tá sí tosú i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach."

Any closer to making sense?


Yep, a lot closer.

Inniu doesn't work where you have it. It should go either after Aoife or after Darach.

the essence of the second sentence is 'she has started/ started', i.e. the past tense. You have 'she is starting'. To express the perfect past in Irish you add -(a)ithe to the verb; so tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach; or alternatively you could just say

Thosaigh sí i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu 'she (has) started in ... today.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 9:03 pm 
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Is this to be written or spoken? Is it to be addressed? Is it expressing what happened in the past? (Just indicative)?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 9:08 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Yep, a lot closer.

Inniu doesn't work where you have it. It should go either after Aoife or after Darach.

the essence of the second sentence is 'she has started/ started', i.e. the past tense. You have 'she is starting'. To express the perfect past in Irish you add -(a)ithe to the verb; so tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach; or alternatively you could just say

Thosaigh sí i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu 'she (has) started in ... today.

Crossed with Jay Bee

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Ok, i think i had tosaithe a few attempts back, and i understand what you are saying with regards the past tense, however i was looking to express it as "she is starting ..... today" so with that in mind, i would be adjusting it to

"Tá bród agam as m'iníon Aoife. Tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu".

Thanks for your help by the way, hopefully your patience with me is holding :LOL:


*UPDATE*
This will be written down and expressed on that particular day (which is coming up soon). It is expressing what is happening at the present time.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 9:21 pm 
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steenson86 wrote:

Ok, i think i had tosaithe a few attempts back, and i understand what you are saying with regards the past tense, however i was looking to express it as "she is starting ..... today" so with that in mind, i would be adjusting it to

"Tá bród agam as m'iníon Aoife. Tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu".

Thanks for your help by the way, hopefully your patience with me is holding :LOL:


*UPDATE*
This will be written down and expressed on that particular day (which is coming up soon). It is expressing what is happening at the present time.


Ah there we go! Context is everything :good: .

Tweeking what Jay Bee has given you:

Tá bród agam as m'iníon Aoife, tá sí ag tosú i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu.

'I am proud of my daughter Aoife, she is starting in Naíscoil Ghleann Darach today'

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 10:11 pm 
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Tá bród agam? Is it not Tá bród orm??? I'm virtually it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Wed 02 Sep 2015 10:20 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
Tá bród agam? Is it not Tá bród orm??? I'm virtually it is.


Its T(h)á bród orm as in Munster Irish, I just replicated the ag thinking it was a variation.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
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So we are thinking Tá bród orm? As in Tá brón orm ... I am sorry ?

"Tá bród orm do m'iníon Aoife. Tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu"

I am curious as to the reasoning behind this alteration, I though orm was literally 'on me' ?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Thu 03 Sep 2015 12:15 am 
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steenson86 wrote:
So we are thinking Tá bród orm? As in Tá brón orm ... I am sorry ?

"Tá bród orm do m'iníon Aoife. Tá sí tosaithe i Naíscoil Ghleann Darach inniu"

I am curious as to the reasoning behind this alteration, I though orm was literally 'on me' ?



Try not to think of it too literally. It'll only confuse you where the languages differ.

Also, it's as m'iníon not do.

In Irish, pride is on you out of something. Also, if the speech is given before she leaves, I'd like "Tá sí ag tos(n)ú" better.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Pride?
PostPosted: Thu 03 Sep 2015 11:35 am 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Gumbi wrote:
Tá bród agam? Is it not Tá bród orm??? I'm virtually it is.


Its T(h)á bród orm as in Munster Irish, I just replicated the ag thinking it was a variation.

Cian

I know it's tá bród orm as... I forgot to add it, was just differentiating between the ag and ar.... Never heard the ag variation but it could be right.


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