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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Fri 24 Jan 2014 3:04 pm 
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To 'bear' is to carry!
I'll bear that in mind. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan 2014 4:12 pm 
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I'm ready when you are for Cuid a ceathair, a Loin Dhuibh.

I don't know if you saw my last batch of corrections and questions, but I spotted another typo on page 14:
Chuir sé uaidh amach na stracairí.


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan 2014 6:16 pm 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:

There's one sentence that I can't quite understand:
Pé áit 'na dtabhafhaidh sé a aghaidh, ní fiú muíntir na h-áite sin iad a chothú mara bhfuil ionta iad féin a chosaint ar an sméirle úd agus ar a shlua stracairí.
Here's my best try at a translation:
Wherever he shows his face, the people of that place aren't worth feeding if they themselves aren't able to defend that lout and his host of draggers/strugglers. Ní thuigim. :dhera:


I haven't looked at the context, but:

1-It's not "if they themselves aren't able to defend that sméirle" but "if they aren't able to defend themselves against/from that sméirle".

2- "aghaidh (without the possessive) a thabhairt ar áit" = "to head for a place". I don't know if the addition of the possessive 'a' makes any difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan 2014 8:03 pm 
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Ah, pé áit ina dthabharfhaidh sé a aghaidh means "wherever he heads to"
tugaim aghaidh ar áit – I head for a place

mara bhfuil ionta iad féin a chosaint ar an sméirle úd … – if they aren't able to defend themselves against that lout …
cosnaim ar - I defend against

Now I see how that works – Thanks for the help! :GRMA:


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan 2014 9:51 pm 
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Thanks, I got all the corrections, I'm writing Cuid a ceathair now, I'll have it ready tomorrow.

WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Cuirfidh san fhéachaint ar Fhaelán gan suim a chur ionainn.

Just to let you know suim is pronounced suím, but the genitive is suime. I'll add stuff like this in when I go back over the file with the phonetic spelling. However I've edited the spelling to what you've suggested.

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Normally, Le simply prefixes a h- to vowels and does nothing to consonants, but before ithe and ól it prefixes an n– (something like that, maybe)

I've changed it to say: it eclipses (which before vowels amounts to prefixing an n-)
What do you think?

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Gluaisim I rise; I march (I think that it might be good to mention "I proceed")

You're right! Thanks.

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A couple o' questions:
:?: I'd always thought that Beirim, Bheirim, and tugaim meant (among other things) "I bring" or "I give"; now I see that they can also mean "I take", which I thought was tógaim. When do you use tugaim to mean "I take" instead of tógaim?

Tóg is take, build, life. Tug is give, bring. However Tug + le is bring with which is similar in meaning to and often translated take, but not exactly the same.

However this is the verb Beir catch, take, bear, give birth.

Tug used to have Bheirim as its present independent form, which looks very similar to the present form of Beir, i.e. Beirim. So it is easy to confuse the two verbs.

Tóg is simply take, but Beir is take in the sense "My job takes me to different countries", "He took me there". An example from Niamh, quoted in the Cork Irish dictionary:

Bheireadh a ngnó sa tímpal iad i dtreó go mbídís tamal ins gach aon bhuidhin Their work took them
all around so that they would spend a while in each group
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Pé áit 'na dtabhafhaidh sé a aghaidh, ní fiú muíntir na h-áite sin iad a chothú mara bhfuil ionta iad féin a chosaint ar an sméirle úd agus ar a shlua stracairí.
Here's my best try at a translation:
Wherever he shows his face, the people of that place aren't worth feeding if they themselves aren't able to defend that lout and his host of draggers/strugglers. Ní thuigim. :dhera:

Errigal has explained this already, I was trying to think how best to explain it in the notes. I'll add a new attempt in when I upload Cuid a Ceathair.

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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan 2014 10:22 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Just to let you know suim is pronounced suím, but the genitive is suime. I'll add stuff like this in when I go back over the file with the phonetic spelling. However I've edited the spelling to what you've suggested.
Thanks for letting me know about that! Standard spelling can sure lead a person astray when it comes to pronunciation – the word muintir comes to mind.
An Lon Dubh wrote:
I've changed it to say: it eclipses (which before vowels amounts to prefixing an n-)
What do you think?
That looks good to me! :)
An Lon Dubh wrote:
Tóg is take, build, life. Tug is give, bring. However Tug + le is bring with which is similar in meaning to and often translated take, but not exactly the same.

However this is the verb Beir catch, take, bear, give birth.

Tug used to have Bheirim as its present independent form, which looks very similar to the present form of Beir, i.e. Beirim. So it is easy to confuse the two verbs.

Tóg is simply take, but Beir is take in the sense "My job takes me to different countries", "He took me there". An example from Niamh, quoted in the Cork Irish dictionary:

Bheireadh a ngnó sa tímpal iad i dtreó go mbídís tamal ins gach aon bhuidhin Their work took them
all around so that they would spend a while in each group.
Now I see the error of my ways! First of all, I was confusing bheirim and beirim. I'll pore over your explanation until I get used to the differences in tugaim, tógaim, and beirim – which now I know, thanks to you, is not bheirim!


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Thu 30 Jan 2014 12:36 am 
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I like hearing about 'suím', 'muíntir' etc

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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Thu 30 Jan 2014 3:30 am 
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Jay Bee wrote:
I like hearing about 'suím', 'muíntir' etc
The older spelling was muinntear which is closer to the actual pronunciation (well in Munster, anyway).


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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Thu 06 Feb 2014 8:08 pm 
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Sorry for the delay WFM! Busy in work! Here is Cuid a ceathair:

http://irishlearner.awyr.com/membrfaylz/anlondubh/CuanFithise.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Cúán Fithise
PostPosted: Thu 06 Feb 2014 10:29 pm 
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Go raibh maith agat, a Loin Dhuibh!

I'll get to work on it right away – :nail:


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