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ná tair in aon ghiorracht don dtigh seo go mbeidh sí ag an té go leis í 'don't go near this house until she is at the one who is hers'?

Don't come near this house until she is with the one she belongs to. Go leis = gur leis. What does sí refer to in context?


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djwebb2021 wrote:
ná tair in aon ghiorracht don dtigh seo go mbeidh sí ag an té go leis í 'don't go near this house until she is at the one who is hers'?

Don't come near this house until she is with the one she belongs to. Go leis = gur leis. What does sí refer to in context?


Thank you. refers to casóg, I believe.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2025 4:53 am 
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ith do chroí amach from the English phrase 'eat your heart out'
féinig Munster form of féin, not (as far as I'm aware) used in any different contexts
subh 'jam'
cearnóg 'square'
is buí le bocht an beagán 'we must be thankful for small mercies', literally 'the few are yellow with poorness'
thosnaíomar ag taoscadh an tsuibh isteach inár mbéal, oftentimes the singular is used (even when their are multiple things) when each person has exactly one, especially with body parts, thus inár mbéal, béal being singular
bhí sí ar cheann de na daoine a bhí i bhfeighil orainn 'she was one of the people who was meant to be watching us', notice the use of ar ceann, ceann being singular. Peadar Ó Laoghaire insisted that when ar is used to mean 'among' that the singular is used instead of the plural, i.e. ar an bhfear is láidre in Éirinn (correct me if I'm wrong please)
ná ní hí sin ár múinteoir 'or she's not our teacher'
tinneas normally means 'soreness' in Munster. Sickness is breoiteas, same goes for tinn (pronounced with the /əi/ diphthong) 'sore' and breoite 'sick'

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2025 6:40 am 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
ná tair in aon ghiorracht don dtigh seo go mbeidh sí ag an té go leis í 'don't go near this house until she is at the one who is hers'?

Don't come near this house until she is with the one she belongs to. Go leis = gur leis. What does sí refer to in context?


Thank you. refers to casóg, I believe.


don't come near the house until the coat is back with the person it belongs to


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2025 6:47 am 
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Séamus O'Neill wrote:
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ith do chroí amach from the English phrase 'eat your heart out'
féinig Munster form of féin, not (as far as I'm aware) used in any different contexts
subh 'jam'
cearnóg 'square'
is buí le bocht an beagán 'we must be thankful for small mercies', literally 'the few are yellow with poorness'
thosnaíomar ag taoscadh an tsuibh isteach inár mbéal, oftentimes the singular is used (even when their are multiple things) when each person has exactly one, especially with body parts, thus inár mbéal, béal being singular
bhí sí ar cheann de na daoine a bhí i bhfeighil orainn 'she was one of the people who was meant to be watching us', notice the use of ar ceann, ceann being singular. Peadar Ó Laoghaire insisted that when ar is used to mean 'among' that the singular is used instead of the plural, i.e. ar an bhfear is láidre in Éirinn (correct me if I'm wrong please)
ná ní hí sin ár múinteoir 'or she's not our teacher'
tinneas normally means 'soreness' in Munster. Sickness is breoiteas, same goes for tinn (pronounced with the /əi/ diphthong) 'sore' and breoite 'sick'


Ar has two uses:

Ar a sliocht féin, amongst her own descendants.
Ar has a different meaning in another idiom: Bhí sé ar an bhfear ba ghiorra do'n rí (Sg. I. 106) means that he was in the position of next man to the king.

I think the second meaning has to have a comparative. Ar cheann de na daoine - one of the people - but this is really the first meaning. Admittedly, it is not ar na daoine, and so it appears to straddle the two to some extent. Father O'Leary also has this:

beidh t'inghean ar dhuine de striapachaibh an tíoranaigh atá i gcómhacht anois


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2025 9:48 pm 
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Thank you

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gumh, alternative form of goimh: gumh a bheith ort le duine 'to be sore at someone'
chun scéal gearra a dhéanamh 'long story short', with scéal apparently being treated as a fourth declension noun
ascaill 'armpits', suggesting that the singular is ascall
dúirt mo mháthair gan a dhéanamh 'my mother said not to do [it]'
guailne apparently plural of gualainn, maybe a typo
An Teagasc Críostaí 'Christian doctrine'
suaimhneas pronounced suaineas (could this possibly be pronounced suaimhineas, or would the mh have to be voiceless in order to trigger epenthesis)
lá an easpaig 'confirmation day'
fear bruíne 'a quarreling man'
fathach 'giant man'

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chun scéal gearra a dhéanamh: not treated as a fourth declension noun (as the adj is not lenited). Just given in the nominative, as a whole phrase is governed by chun.

oscall is the nominative = ascaill in Standardised Irish

guailne: not a typo - but pronounced guaille, and ln is usually ll in the modern language

An Teagasc Críostaí: the Catechism (not "Christian doctrine")

suaimhneas: pronunced suaineas. I don't know if anyone says suaivineas, but if they do, it would have epenthesis, which only occurs in voiced environments.

fathach: giant. Athach is also found. With the accent on the 2nd syllable.


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djwebb2021 wrote:
chun scéal gearra a dhéanamh: not treated as a fourth declension noun (as the adj is not lenited). Just given in the nominative, as a whole phrase is governed by chun.


Do you know why gearr is in the plural?

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