Lenition Question

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

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Ah no, in the Gaeltacht you hear a Mhichael, a Sharah, a Mhary etc

sometimes names aren't lenited

an example I had in mind, in Amhrán Mhaínse, they say "le mo Teaimín Bán"
I think people don't lenite "Tom" either (although they lenite Tomás)... depends on the name, but some English names & some of their variants aren't lenited

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

Gumbi wrote:

Benjamin wrote:

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All first names are lenited, except maybe some names borrowed from English.

Ah no, in the Gaeltacht you hear a Mhichael, a Sharah, a Mhary etc

Not technically correct, though

But we do it all the same.

Lughaidh wrote:

Quote:

Ah no, in the Gaeltacht you hear a Mhichael, a Sharah, a Mhary etc

sometimes names aren't lenited

an example I had in mind, in Amhrán Mhaínse, they say "le mo Teaimín Bán"
I think people don't lenite "Tom" either (although they lenite Tomás)... depends on the name, but some English names & some of their variants aren't lenited

Like the sean-nós singer Nan Tom Taimín.

Gumbi · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 943

All the more power to ye

I'm not bringin' ye down

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

Gumbi wrote:

All the more power to ye

I'm not bringin' ye down

Nach bhfuil 'fhíos 'am sin a leanbhín.

ChristyD · **Posted:** Thu 14 Jun 2012 8:55 pm

Lughaidh wrote:

All first names are lenited, except maybe some names borrowed from English.
Some examples for all letters that are used with Irish names:

A Aoife
A Bhreandáin
A Chonaill
A Dhónaill
A Eilís
A Fhearghail
A Ghearóidín
A Íosa
A Liam
A Mháire
A Nóra
A Órla
A Phádraig
A Rónáin
A Shéamais
A Thomáis
A Úna

I see some of the names (i.e. A Bhreandáin, A Rónáin, A Shéamais, A Thomáis) have an "i" added in the last syllable. Is this only used when there is an "a" in the last syllable?

Gumbi · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 8:09 pm **Posts:** 943

Bríd Mhór wrote:

Gumbi wrote:

All the more power to ye

I'm not bringin' ye down

Nach bhfuil 'fhíos 'am sin a leanbhín.

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

ChristyD wrote:

I see some of the names (i.e. A Bhreandáin, A Rónáin, A Shéamais, A Thomáis) have an "i" added in the last syllable. Is this only used when there is an "a" in the last syllable?

The i is added for male names basically (although not all male names).
It indicates that the last consonant has changed from one type (broad)
to another type (slender). (Basically there are two types of every consonant)

It's called the vocative case. If you remember when he died Caesar said
"Et tu Brute?", even though Brutus was his name. This is because Brutus
was in the vocative since Caesar was addressing him.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Quote:

The i is added for male names basically (although not all male names).
It indicates that the last consonant has changed from one type (slender)
to another type (broad).

it's the contrary

Breandán · **Posted:** Fri 15 Jun 2012 12:28 am

Lughaidh wrote:

Quote:

The i is added for male names basically (although not all male names).
It indicates that the last consonant has changed from one type (slender)
to another type (broad).

it's the contrary

Just to clarify, only male names get a final i (slenderisation).

The i changes a broad consonant to a slender one:

Séamas => a Shéamais
SHAY-muss => uh HAY-muish
/s´e:məs/ => /ə h´e:məs´/

ChristyD · **Posted:** Fri 15 Jun 2012 12:51 am

So if for the name Brendan, it would be "a Bhrendain" then?

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