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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 2:47 pm 
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Does anyone have any mp3s of the present, past and future of irregular verbs?

I can pronounce most of them but might have trouble understanding a few of them, the ones I have particular trouble with are (if someone wants to spell it out phonetically);

Déarfaidh
Béarfaidh
Gheobhaidh
Íosfaidh
Tabharfaidh
Deachaigh (ie Ní dheachaigh)

Its mainly the future tense as you can see!

Go raibh maith agat


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 3:02 pm 
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Somhairle Óg wrote:
Does anyone have any mp3s of the present, past and future of irregular verbs?

I can pronounce most of them but might have trouble understanding a few of them, the ones I have particular trouble with are (if someone wants to spell it out phonetically);

Déarfaidh
Béarfaidh
Gheobhaidh
Íosfaidh
Tabharfaidh
Deachaigh (ie Ní dheachaigh)

Its mainly the future tense as you can see!

Go raibh maith agat


Do you have a dialect preference? Some of these will vary according to dialect.

Very roughly:

JAYR-hee

BAYR-hee

YOH-hee

EESS-hee

TOW-ur-hee

The future tense of "téigh" is "rachaidh" -- roughly "RAKH-hee." "Ní dheachaigh" is the past tense: "An ndeachaigh tú?" (did you go?). "Chuaigh/ní dheachaigh" (yes/no). (un NYAKH-hee too? KHOO-ee/nee YAKH-hee).

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 5:03 pm 
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Thanks, generally leaning towards Conamara Irish but however it comes to me it doesnt matter :)


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 7:43 pm 
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Cannot see why that can't be organised. There are 12 of them in all as far as I know but they are as common as the grass in the language. I think the best way will be to present them in sentences format - with a tense I have not seen in the dictionary thrown in just to show it is there in speech. It will take a little time to put together; and you will probably have others working on it also. Look forward to your MP3 and accompanying notes a chara!

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 7:56 pm 
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That would be great! Very grateful for all the help, i am trying to get them all down so I can use them off the top of my head in a conversation and understand them without having to think about them! My book gives

Abair
Beir
Clois
Déan
Faigh
Feic
Ith
Tabhair
Tar
Téigh


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 9:26 pm 
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Hello Somhairle Óg

I had a look and see that a fairly nice job has already been done here:
http://www.nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/irregular.php

I will still have a look idir an dá linn and see if it can be presented as I said already - as well as the MP3 of course.
I have dug out a copy of Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí and I am looking for any reference to that spoken but unwritten tense I mentioned. If I do not succeed in finding an explanation of it, I will give it to you as I have it anyway but it will not of course be 'official' - just in case you hear it in speech from some of the older folk.

Grand bedtime reading!!! LOL....

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 9:39 pm 
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Braoin wrote:
Cannot see why that can't be organised. There are 12 of them in all as far as I know but they are as common as the grass in the language. I think the best way will be to present them in sentences format - with a tense I have not seen in the dictionary thrown in just to show it is there in speech. It will take a little time to put together; and you will probably have others working on it also. Look forward to your MP3 and accompanying notes a chara!


11, actually, and of those one -- ith -- is only irregular in the future tense.

I gave my students a mnemonic for that one: "ith is íosfaidh" (which comes out sounding a little like "Ith is easy").

Somhairle, one thing that's helped me with the irregulars is to work on one a week. Take one ("bí," for example) write out a sentence using each tense, and put it on the fridge, or some place else you're sure to see it. At least once a day (more often, if you like), run though the sentences...just say them out loud. You'll be surprised how quickly the sound of them will get into your mind that way.

Redwolf


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012 9:51 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
Somhairle, one thing that's helped me with the irregulars is to work on one a week. Take one ("bí," for example) write out a sentence using each tense, and put it on the fridge, or some place else you're sure to see it. At least once a day (more often, if you like), run though the sentences...just say them out loud. You'll be surprised how quickly the sound of them will get into your mind that way.
And Somhairle, if you want to come up with a game to help you to remember them, we will all play! You start the thread, and like sheep, we will follow!

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012 7:41 am 
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Go raibh maith agaibh, all great help.

One question I have is, the endings of 'we' my book gives examples such as Déarfaimid, dúramar agus deirimid ach creidim go bhfuil déarfaidh muid, dúirt muid agus deir muid cear go leor freisin? Bhfuil sin ceart?

Are the déarfaimid endings a feature of Munster Irish or what?


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Somhairle Óg wrote:
Go raibh maith agaibh, all great help.

One question I have is, the endings of 'we' my book gives examples such as Déarfaimid, dúramar agus deirimid ach creidim go bhfuil déarfaidh muid, dúirt muid agus deir muid cear go leor freisin? Bhfuil sin ceart?

Are the déarfaimid endings a feature of Munster Irish or what?


According to Leabhar Mór Bhriathra na Gaeilge, déarfaimid, dúramar agus deirimid are also the standard forms, while déarfaidh muid, dúirt muid agus deir muid are Connaught and Ulster.

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