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 Post subject: fíorchearúch
PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2023 10:51 am 
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Cnósach Focal ó BB p109 has this:
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le glaoch an chuilig isea sgreadann an fír-chearúch

This is a saying meaning "luck turns to the true gambler at crockcrow", as glossed there.
What does this saying mean, though?


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 Post subject: Re: fíorchearúch
PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2023 3:43 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Cnósach Focal ó BB p109 has this:
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le glaoch an chuilig isea sgreadann an fír-chearúch

This is a saying meaning "luck turns to the true gambler at crockcrow", as glossed there.
What does this saying mean, though?


Le glaoch an choiligh is ea a screadann an fíorchearrbhach. = With the call of the rooster screams the true gambler.

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 Post subject: Re: fíorchearúch
PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2023 8:04 pm 
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I'm thinking the first r is slender in fír-chearúch, explaining Brian Ó Cuív's transcription. There isn't usually a crossover of palatalisation like this, but I think /j/ and /x'/ are the most likely to have slenderisation before them.


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 Post subject: Re: fíorchearúch
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2023 11:15 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
I'm thinking the first r is slender in fír-chearúch, explaining Brian Ó Cuív's transcription. There isn't usually a crossover of palatalisation like this, but I think /j/ and /x'/ are the most likely to have slenderisation before them.


You probably know this or have seen this already but Ó Dónaill has "fír" as an alternate to "fíor".


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 Post subject: Re: fíorchearúch
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2023 10:41 pm 
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Fíor can be slender to match the following consonant and even make the following consonant part of the same syllable.

So Fíormhaith can be said as fíorbh-aith.

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