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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2015 1:38 am 
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How are folks dealing with dates this century?

2008: Dhá mhíle is a hocht? Fiche is a hocht? Scór is a hocht?

2015: Dhá mhíle is a cúig déag? Fiche is a cúig déag? Scór is a cúig déag?


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Sep 2015 3:06 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
How are folks dealing with dates this century?

2008: Dhá mhíle is a hocht? Fiche is a hocht? Scór is a hocht?

2015: Dhá mhíle is a cúig déag? Fiche is a cúig déag? Scór is a cúig déag?


Bump.

The reason I'm asking this is people vary in how they say these dates in English...before we hit the "teens," people tended to say "two thousand and X" and with the teens they seem more inclined to say "twenty X."

I haven't had the occasion to hear twenty-first century dates expressed in Irish, so I'm curious as to people are saying them.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Sep 2015 3:22 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
How are folks dealing with dates this century?

2008: Dhá mhíle is a hocht? Fiche is a hocht? Scór is a hocht?

2015: Dhá mhíle is a cúig déag? Fiche is a cúig déag? Scór is a cúig déag?


I would say Dhá mhíle is a cúig déag

Even in English, I don't personally say 20 - 15; I always say 2015. I have heard people say 20 - 15 alright in English. But, I haven't heard people say fiche is a cúig déag yet in Irish.

How did people describe the dates prior to the 2000s in Irish?

Funnily enough, if I saw 1925 written with numbers I would say naoi déag is a fiche cúig; however, if it was speaking I would usually say míle naoi gcéad is a fiche cúig. The latter seems to be the more traditional way as well.

In the end, I suppose it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Sep 2015 5:12 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

I would say Dhá mhíle is a cúig déag


Me, too.
It is the recommended version in CO.

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
How did people describe the dates prior to the 2000s in Irish?


naoi déag is a cúig = 1905
naoi déag sé déag = 1916
naoi déag naoi déag = 1919
naoi déag fiche a trí = 1923
naoi déag nócha a naoi = 1999

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Funnily enough, if I saw 1925 written with numbers I would say naoi déag is a fiche cúig; however, if it was speaking I would usually say míle naoi gcéad is a fiche cúig. The latter seems to be the more traditional way as well.


I'd prefer "fiche a cúig"
EDIT: or "a cúig is fiche"

You can use "19 hundreds", too:
naoi gcead déag is fiche a cúig = 1925


Last edited by Labhrás on Wed 23 Sep 2015 3:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Sep 2015 8:48 pm 
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I'd prefer "fiche a cúig"

I've almost always heard "fiche 's a cúig", and that's what I was taught. Perhaps "fiche a cúig" is from a particular dialect.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Sep 2015 9:33 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
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I'd prefer "fiche a cúig"

I've almost always heard "fiche 's a cúig", and that's what I was taught. Perhaps "fiche a cúig" is from a particular dialect.


I'd think "fiche 's a cúig" is an Ulster dialect form and "fiche a cúig" used elsewhere.

There are 21 hits for "fiche agus a haon/dó/.../deich" in the New Corpus for Ireland but 110 hits for "fiche a haon/dó/.../deich"


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To me using "naoi déag something" or "fiche..." when talking about a year, is a Béarlachas (you don't name years like that in other languages, as far as I know... it's another weird thing only English speakers say :mrgreen: ). Now, I accept is because John Ghráinne said "naoi déag...". I don't remember having heard him saying "fiche..." for a year of the 21st century though.

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I'd think "fiche 's a cúig" is an Ulster dialect form and "fiche a cúig" used elsewhere.


both are possible in Donegal (source: An Teanga Bheo)

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The use of 's is also common in Scottish Gaelic.

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In the last century most people, around here at least, would say "naoi déag.."
1947 - "naoi déag ceatharacha is a seacht"
A bit easier than saying, "míle naoi gcéad ceatharacha is a seacht".

For this year personally I'd say "dhá mhíle is a cúig déag".
But I don't see anything wrong with "fiche cúig déag" either, after all it is only following a pattern already established.


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