during the first week...

Saoirse · **Posted:** Sun 06 Sep 2015 3:52 pm

during the week = i rith na seachtaine

the first week = an chéad seachtain

during the first week = i rith na / an ??? :panic:

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

Saoirse wrote:

during the week = i rith na seachtaine

the first week = an chéad sheachtain

during the first week = i rith na / an ??? :panic:

i rith na chéad sheachtaine

I think its the only example in Irish where lenition follows na.

wait for some more input.

Cian

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

At least for Munster Irish, all the ordinals (chéad, tarna, tríú,...) are unaffected by any mutations:

sa ceathrú rang
ar an cúigiú baile
na chéad laethanta

however back in the 19th century they were affected, for example Críost Mac Dé (Peadar Ua Laoghaire) p.21:

peaca na céad mhná = sin of the first woman = Eve's sin.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Quote:

i rith na chéad sheachtaine

right but I wouldn't lenite "seachtaine" because of the dentals' rules:
i rith/le linn na chéad seachtaine.

Jay Bee · **Joined:** Tue 15 Nov 2011 7:35 am **Posts:** 1098

Quote:

however back in the 19th century they were affected, for example Críost Mac Dé (Peadar Ua Laoghaire) p.21:

peaca na céad mhná = sin of the first woman = Eve's sin.

Seriously, is there ANYONE alive who understands the numbers? Maybe the man who lives alone in the house of the dual genitive

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

Quote:

Seriously, is there ANYONE alive who understands the numbers? Maybe the man who lives alone in the house of the dual genitive

Well wherever they are, I've never met them. A passage from "Coiglímis an Tine":

cheithre ghráinne...

cheithre punnana....

dhá iothlainn
cheithre n-iothlann
hocht n-iothlann
sé n-iothlann déag
dhá n-iothlann déag

dhá bharúntacht
cheithre mbarúntacht....

Saoirse · **Posted:** Wed 09 Sep 2015 9:44 pm

Jay Bee wrote:

Maybe the man who lives alone in the house of the dual genitive

Sounds like a real party house! :party:

An Cionnfhaolach · **Joined:** Fri 09 Mar 2012 6:16 pm **Posts:** 1527

An Lon Dubh wrote:

Quote:

Seriously, is there ANYONE alive who understands the numbers? Maybe the man who lives alone in the house of the dual genitive

Well wherever they are, I've never met them. A passage from "Coiglímis an Tine":

cheithre ghráinne...

cheithre punnana....

dhá iothlainn
cheithre n-iothlann
hocht n-iothlann
sé n-iothlann déag
dhá n-iothlann déag

dhá bharúntacht
cheithre mbarúntacht....

When we were in Corca Dhuibhne as part of a college trip, they got an old speaker from the region to talk to us. He used to eclipse after four as well.

Cian

An Lon Dubh · **Joined:** Fri 30 Sep 2011 10:08 pm **Posts:** 1313

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:

When we were in Corca Dhuibhne as part of a college trip, they got an old speaker from the region to talk to us. He used to eclipse after four as well.

Cian

The only real number rule as far as I can see is that dhá usually lenites and trí-sé usually lenite the singular. In Kerry there's a tendency to eclipse words beginning with c and b.

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