I was writing something up about the 20 year strategy for Irish and was looking at the "figures" in a brochure from Údarás which seem to reflect the numbers in the general 20 year plan.


On the page I scanned here,

They mention an increase from 83,000 daily speakers to 250,000.
Then they also mention an increase from 77,185 daily speakers outside the education system in Ireland, to 250,000 or a growth of 69%.
Then there is an planned increase of 23,175 speakers in the Gaeltacht to 30,000, or a 25% increase.

There are a couple of questions I have around this.
1.Firstly why the two different figures, are there 77,185 daily speakers or 83,000 ?
2.Does anyone know does this 83,000 (or 77,185 ) include the Gaeltacht or not ?
3. What is the 69% in reference too ? Maths is not my strong point but an increase from 83,000 to 250,000 is a 200% increase. Not a 69%

I cant find any information where they pulled them from, does anyone have any idea where I could look ?
specifically, where did they come up with the target of Daily speakers.

It seems strange to say the least (if not ass backwards) to plan a 200% increase nationwide , but only a 25% increase in the Gaeltacht.
What ever methods they use (which they dont seem to mentioned) that they think will increase the number of speakers by 200%, why not apply them to the Gaeltacht?

If these methods do work as they imagine, it would give you 69,525 speakers in The Gaeltacht , over the 69% threshold which is needed to maintain Irish as the main community language in a given area.

Ive done a lot of digging online and I am beginning to feel that these numbers were just pulled out of thin air. Nor anything on the methods that can supposedly achieve these results.

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Féirín beag duit on CSO:

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census ... or,web.pdf

especially pages 25, 27, 31 and 68



1. 77, 185 is given as the total no. of Irish speakers who speak Irish outside the education system in 2011 (pgs. 25 and 27 in the CSO report) . I can't find the figure 83, 000 anywhere.

2. 77,185 (pg. 25, 27, 68) represents the total number of daily Irish speakers, of whom it seems 23, 175 resided in the Gaeltacht (pg. 31); 10, 249 resided in rural non-Gaeltacht areas [deduced from deducting the number of rural Irish speakers 33, 424 (pg. 28) from Irish daily speaking Gaeltacht residents 23, 175 (pg. 31)]*, the rest being made up of urban Irish speakers.

*This may be an accurate deduction as some Gaeltachts may be regarded as a non-rural area?

3. That's a good question, I don't get it either. Certainly that leaflet doesn't explain things too well!

Cian

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I have been looking online for the best part of three days for information related to how they came up with these figures and what methods they use.

Theip orm an eolas a fháil.
An bhfuil an eolas fé rún ?

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Do ghnách, gheibhtear na figúirí go léir on CSO, mar sin thugas aghaidh ar an suíomh sin féachaint an raibh an t-eolas ann; agus do bhí sé ann- ach amháin an figiúir 83,000.

An bhfacais an tuairisc féinig? Thá sé ar fáil anso: http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn ... 710new.pdf

Dob'fhéidir go bhfuil na freagrai go léir inti, mar gheall ar an gcur chuige/ modh-eolaíocht 'thá acu?

Do chaitheas súil mhear ar an dtuairisc, thá na moltaí go léir ana ghinearálta ar fad, nín aon rud cruinn beach a bhfuightheá tarraint as i ndáiríribh!

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