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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct 2014 12:36 pm 
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I've heard the word inniu pronounced 'innuibh/innyuvv' in Munster, but I've never figured out if this pronunciation with the soft v sound at the end was also typical of Irish in Connacht.

Is inniu ever pronounced like 'innyuh' in Conamara or the Aran islands, for example? Almost like 'ugh' at the end... I know innyew/innyou is how it's said by Ulster Irish speakers.

Pls excuse the rough phonetics, I don't know IPA....

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I'm pretty certain I heard it that way a couple of times in Carraroe. Maybe Bríd can comment if I'm just misremembering.


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Don't quote me as Bríd is one of the experts on this subject, but I have heard that when you're in Connacht it is sometimes a mixture of both.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct 2014 6:01 pm 
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Here's Bríd saying inniu:

http://www.forvo.com/word/inniu/


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It's /əˈN'ũ/ in Cois Fhairrge. Further north in Connacht it's /əˈN'uv/ in Tuar Mhic Éadaigh and /əˈN'uf/ in Iorras.
Historically it was spelt with a final '-iogh' which became /-uv/ or /-u:/ in most places (compare 'tiugh' > 'tiubh').
The spelling 'inniubh' matches the pronunciation nearly everywhere.

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It was quite a shock to hear Bab Feiritéar pronouncing this 'bh' sound at the end of inniu, when I heard it for the first time. When you read it on the page, you have absolutely no way of knowing that it's there. So if virtually everyone pronounces it, why did they change the spelling? - I see that there's an earlier post on this subject on this forum as well as at the other place.

The other question I have is does inniuibh or rather inniu still rhyme with dubh and ubh in Ulster Irish?

Here's the rhyme for those beginners who might not know it - (it's an Irish adaptation of Hickety pickety my black hen, she lays eggs for gentlemen)

Gugalaí-Gug

Gugalaí-gug, mo chircín dubh,
Suíonn sí síos is beireann sí ubh:
Ubh inné is ubh inniu,
Gugalaí-gug mo chircín dubh.


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct 2014 8:03 pm 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Here's Bríd saying inniu:

http://www.forvo.com/word/inniu/


Go raibh maith agat.

I also found this, with pronunciation from the three dialects. It seems that at least two co-exist in Galway, at any rate.

http://www.focloir.ie/ga/dictionary/ei/today?q=today

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Actually the speaker for the Connacht pronunciation of inniu sounds like Cormac Ó hEadhra from Raidió na Gaeltachta (who is from An Cheathrú Rua, I believe).

One of my first teachers was from An Spidéal and she referred to differences in pronunciation further west like féin vs. fhéin etc... but as I say I never managed to nail down which pronunciation was associated with which district.

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Inniu is pronounced differently from Cois Fharraige to Iorras Aithneach. An Cheathrú Rua would say ''inniubh''.


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It's /əˈN'ũ/ in Cois Fhairrge. Further north in Connacht it's /əˈN'uv/ in Tuar Mhic Éadaigh and /əˈN'uf/ in Iorras.
Historically it was spelt with a final '-iogh' which became /-uv/ or /-u:/ in most places (compare 'tiugh' > 'tiubh').
The spelling 'inniubh' matches the pronunciation nearly everywhere.


if I remember well, the Old Irish form is "i ndiu", so the -gh or -bh at the end isn't etymological :)

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The other question I have is does inniuibh or rather inniu still rhyme with dubh and ubh in Ulster Irish?


inniu is a-nyoo in Donegal
dubh is doo
ubh is uhv because people say "uibh", not "ubh" (maybe an old dative that has become the nominative or something like that). The first time I heard that word said by a native Donegal speaker, it was by an old woman from Gort a' Choirce and she pronounced that word almost like the French word "oeuf", which also means "egg", so I was very surprised :D I thought she was using a French word in order to be nice (French is my 1st language) :D but actually it's the normal pronunciation of the word in Gort a' Choirce Irish :darklaugh:

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