Great, thank you very much.

Could you letterbox your point for me Daithí? If we want to move forward with this action item we need a synergistic actualisation vis a vis your thoughts.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Wow its amazing how a non offensive sentence written in jest can make my blood boil

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An example from Corca Dhuibhne:
Rás Bád = Boat Race, Literally: Race of Boats. Several boats involved. Bád being the genitive plural.

Another thing to keep in mind is that when an noun is used as an adjective, it doesn't inflect further.

Críoch an Ráis Bhád = The end of the boat race.

Bád is still lenited as an adjective in the masculine genitive always.

However I have seen things like:
*Críoch an Ráis Bháid

in government documents where the writer seems to think that Bád has become just another adjective and should
become *Báid in the masculine genitive and *Báide in the feminine genitive.

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Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

You need to leverage best practice in anger management, I would recommend a two-pronged approach giving you a paradigm shift of your frustration goals down
in the trenchs. I'll stop now!

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Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

you should write an Irish business jargon phrase book.

Maybe include some office topics of conversation like
"dont you hate it when your rushing to a client meeting and youre standing there trying to open your BMW with the Porsche keys"

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Or perhaps it's easier to say that it's not an adjective. I was never comfortable with the English grammar books that called the "boat" in the English "boat race" an adjective, because it doesn't feel like one to me.

I can kind of see why they'd call a genitive an "adjective" in this case...

... after all, if it's a typical "genitive", why does Rás inflect into genitive?

So it seemingly breaks the rules of the genitive... but it clearly doesn't follow the rules of the adjective either!

I reckon the best way of thinking about it is as follows...

First, consider English words like "toothpaste" and "toothbrush". In these words, the two nouns are written together because only the first noun gets stress. Then you've got terms like "car wash" and "boat race", where we pronounce, as before, with stress only on the first. And actually, a lot of people do write them without spaces (but Firefox's inbuilt spellchecker doesn't!).

This is what is often termed a "close compound" -- two words that are used together so often that they become a single, indivisible item. You wouldn't say "pass me the brush" when you want a toothbrush, would you? It's a toothbrush and nothing else.

But what constitutes a close compound can be a little fuzzy, because when someone wins a boat race, you could quite naturally say just that they'd won the race.

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This is where corpuses of well-edited native Irish are useful - like Tobar na Gaedhilge - where you can check what good Gaeltacht writers wrote - ráis bhád vs. rásanna bád and other things.

There is Nua-Chorpas na hÉireann - but I wonder why they chose to include so many works by learners in that corpus. The word choices of learners would tend to be all the same - whatever the dictionary says - leavened with Béarlachas and mistakes.

It would be brilliant if Foras na G. released 3 corpuses - a database of works by native speakers of each of the three dialects - so they could be used for research.

For example, one sentence in that corpus says:



You only get a snippet, but rásaí bád seems right. Another entry says:



The second one is from Nuacht RnaG Doirí Beaga, and it says it is "Ulster dialect" - but it is unknown if it's from a native speaker or not. The first one is from Ceann Tìre/Earraghàidheal: Ár gComharsanaigh Gaelacha, by Pádraig Ó Baoighill, listed as "Ulster dialect" and as a native speaker.

It seems to me that they list everything by Ulster speakers as "in Ulster dialect", even if it's in the CO - so there are numerous problems with the corpus - and clearly both of these are Ulster sources - so things that are incorrect (rásaí báid) are bunged into the corpus willy-nilly.

I don't have examples of Munster native speakers saying "of a boat race" in the genitive...

I know Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne gives Rás Bád as an example of a genitive plural being used as an adjective. I'll get the page reference tonight.

The genitive I heard because I was talking to somebody about a boat race and have it in my notes, but I don't know a written source.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Shows poor language intuition




Feels like a compound to me. Functionally, the brush and the teeth are in a set relationship. If 'tooth' were an adjective would it not be a brush in the shape of a tooth? lol




Cos they don't care

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