hisar - h-isar - iar

iron???

Or majbe it was the other way round

iar - isar - hisar

where iar is the root?

There are just too many "coincidences" here to be just coincidences, i think.

I am saying this because i have collected a vast number of similar overlaps between Irish and Slavic and particularly Serbian language and tradition. I am planning to post more here to check my understanding of Irish side of things if you don't mind.

Sorry for spamming, but i don't see edit post anywhere.

Just to clarify, i am talking about the ancestor culture and language of both the Irish and the Serbs from the bronze age cultures of the central Europe from the Balkan - Baltic corridor and linked to the old European I haplogroup. Going even earlier i am talking about Vinca culture (geographically overlapping with the ilirian culture) as the birth place of the metallurgy with the earliest found copper, bronze and iron mining, manufacturing and objects.



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I certainly don't want to discourage you. My native language is Russian, so yes, I've noticed a number of similarities between Slavic and Celtic languages. For example, Irish "deas" and Russian "desnitsa" (archaic for 'right hand'). Or the Irish word "grian" (sun), according to MacBain's dictionary, is derived from the same root as the Russian "gret' " (to give warmth) and "goret' " (to burn).

Thing is, these words are not borrowed from one language to another. They just have common Indo-European ancestry.

My point is: when we see similar words in different languages, it's easy to be tempted to find any connections between them. I'm a linguist myself, so I've felt this temptation many times. But we need to take scientific approach, because there are rules that govern the ways one sound or word can change into another with time.

This conversation is well outside the realm of my expertise, which at best is quite limited anyway! However, one thing I can help with is: When you have made ten posts, you have more control over things around here. Hang around for another little while and then you can edit to your heart's delight!

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Молодец! (Molodec, pronouced molodjets is a russian for well done, brave man, clever man (usually a young man))

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BC%D0 ... 0%B5%D1%86

irish
mol - commend

moladh - applause(m)
commendation(n m)
compliment(n m)
commendation(n m)
compliment(n m)
praise(n m)
proposal(n m)
proposition(n m)
suggestion(n m)
submission(m)(proposal)




English right - Russian право (pravo)

In Serbian word for right side is "desno", right hand is "desna ruka" or "desnica", the one on the right is "desnjak"...

I believe that it is west Slavic languages and particularly south Slavic languages which preserved the most of these old words in their original meaning. And Irish of course being so isolated for so long.



In dinaric dialect of serbo croatian language the word "griati" - to heat up, "grian" - in process of being heated up, ugrian - heated up...In this part of the Balkans sunce "grije" - sun shines...



I am not disputing this. I do believe that these are all words from the old Balkan language which is the ancestor language of both "Celtic" and "Slavic" languages, and i believe that what we are looking at here is the old Vinča language.



I am disputing this. I believe that these words and customs are a lot older than the return of Indo European (Steppe people). I believe that we are talking about the language that existed before 3800 bc when Vinča guys packed up and went to take over the world fallowing their wolf god, returning later ad Indo-Europeans a thousand years later.

Genetics tells us that both I haplotype and R1a haplotype originated in the Balkans. R1a then went all the way to India and back and came as Indo European, but really Indo is absolete....



Agreed. But i am not talking only about words. I am talking about toponimes, hydronimes, verbs, nouns, complex constructions, religious believes and folk customs. I am also talking about genetics, archaeology, myths, legends, written histories...

All of this points to the Balkans and particularly the Serbian part of the Danube basin as the cradle of the European civilization. And to the place where once ancestors of Irish and Serbs lived together, smelting iron and celebrating god Crom Dubh or as Serbs call him Hromi Daba, the wolf god, and the king of the mound...

Hisar (from Arabic حصار ḥiṣār) is Turkish for "fort". Isn't that a more plausible source for the name, particularly given that there's a castle on it dating back to the Ottoman period?

The similarities between Irish and Slavic languages is normal, they are all Indo-European languages. You would find the same roots in other Indo-European languages

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There has been a fort there since 1400 bc. And yes i know that hisar means fort in turkish. this is a current interpretation of the name. But it is interesting that it is also a location of the oldest iron manufacturing facility on a grand scale (hundreds of smelting ovens)....What is the root of the arabic word Hisar i wander....



I know. But in this case it is more than similarity...

Yes, but has it been continuously inhabited all that time? There's been a hill fort across the river from my hometown for over a thousand years. But the current name ("Cahokia") has no relationship to the name it had during the time of the Mississippian Civilisation that built it.


حصر ḥaṣara "surround, encircle"


If you do much historical linguistics, you soon realise that the closer the resemblances, the more likely it is you're dealing with coincidence or recent borrowing rather than more ancient connexions.

But then, if you subscribe to Paleolithic Continuity Theory, then you think our entire contemporary understanding of historical language change is all bollocks anyway.