You could do that but it wouldn't sound completely like Dublin, as people from the county and city don't have much in the way of 'slender' sounds even left over from HE.

Also, if you listen to recordings of old native speakers or meet very old speakers from Donegal, they have a n Ulster blas, but it is softer. It sounds to me as if there has been an influence from Scots English in anyone under 80, I guess

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Or I should say from Northern Hiberno English.

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I think "no problem" is a gross exaggeration here. There are absolutely local varieties in Germany, for instance, which are on the verge of extinction if not already gone. In many cases, this is masked by the fact that the traditional local dialect is being replaced by a dialectally-coloured variety of Standard German. Younger people who may never have been exposed to a broad traditional variety grow accustomed to calling this "dialect", when in fact it's at best transitional variety. (This matters because statistics regarding the number of "dialect speakers" almost invariably rely on self-reporting.)

For instance, where I lived in Baden, many people thought of Samschtag as a dialect form. The traditional dialect form is actually Samschdig; Samschtag is just Standard German Samstag with the Alemannic shift of /s/ to [ʃ] before /t/ in non-initial position. See also Dienschtag for Dienstag where the traditional form is Zischdig.

probably more than those who accept that an artificial non-Gaeltacht dialect replaces the native language.



what's the difference? If it's artificial, it will evolve. If it's a native dialect, it will evolve too.



Yes but German isn't endangered, while Irish is. So Irish speakers may have a complex because their Irish is never taught and never written, and even though they speak Irish at home, what they say is considered "wrong" at school because it's not standard. German-speaking people have no reason to change language, while Irish is under the constant pressure of English, almost all Irish speakers are bilingual so it's easy to abandon Irish. It happens all the time actually, since the number of Irish native speakers decreases every year.



Have I said the contrary? What's the connection between my sentence and yours?

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I'm just saying it should be put in a document and labelled as The Standard so that it can be updated according to how it gets used by its native speakers when Nationwide Cois Farraige Irish starts to differ from Cois Farraige Cois Farraige Irish. A fairly minor point.


And I think gaeltacht Irish would be less endangered if some form of Irish was widely used. If, say, English replaced Standard German in the schools of Germany, local German dialects would mostly be dead in two generations. Standard German keeps local dialect German alive.

Or if German schools abandonned Standard German and taught exclusively the local dialect, then German kids would find they need a lingua franca or some language which gives them access to a broad variety of entertainment, human contact, and higher level education, so parents and kids would start wanting to learn and use some "big" language, probably English instead of dialect. Since Standard German and dialect German have so much in common, they coexist very well. Without Standard German, dialect German would fade quickly.

(Of course, there will always be people to say the balance isn't right and that there's currently too much dialect or too much Standard German, but the small number of Germans I've talked to about this have said their dialect is healthy.)


You said it was awesome. The champagne on the Titanic was probably awesome too

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Ok but it's German. I don't think Standard Irish helps Gaeltacht Irish to survive, quite the opposite.



what I meant is that before the CO was created, writers would write in their dialect and there was no problem with that. So now, why would it be a problem to keep the Gaeltacht dialects alive and to use them as much as possible, instead of promoting Standard Irish only?

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I would be happy if there was a sort of 'training dialect' that had the most regular parts from all the dialects (for example, with verbs, 'níor chuaigh mé' or 'dheineas/mé from Munster, spellings based on actual pronunciation, such as 'ruball' for 'eireaball', 'feasóg' for 'easóg', 'gímhreadh' for 'geimhreadh' etc, and syntax and word building that follows the grain of the language ('liathróid láimhe' instead of 'lámhliathróid') which would be easier taught and used but which would not be artificial to a high degree, and learning materials could be based on that.

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