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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012 10:06 am 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
It doesn't seem to be an exact direct translation.

I wonder is it Munster Irish. It doesn't sound caighdeánach.

It's not grammatically Munster Irish, but it does flow like Munster Irish if that makes any sense. As if
somebody from Munster was speaking the Standard or something like that. Not very scientific but that
is how it feels to me.

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012 2:29 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
It doesn't seem to be an exact direct translation.

I wonder is it Munster Irish. It doesn't sound caighdeánach.

It's not grammatically Munster Irish, but it does flow like Munster Irish if that makes any sense. As if
somebody from Munster was speaking the Standard or something like that. Not very scientific but that
is how it feels to me.


That could well be the case. It would be very typical for a translator to English to use a standardized form in writing. The dialect forms in Irish are distinct enough that I could see a "blás" creeping in, even if the writer is more or less conforming to the caighdeán.

There's a very interesting bit at the beginning of the books that tells how he dealt with the runes, and with concepts that aren't native to Irish, such as the elves. It's humbling to see just how much work went into this translation.

If he goes on to translate The Lord of the Rings it will be interesting to see how he handles the English dialect differences that crop up in those books.

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012 12:55 am 
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http://youtu.be/2Sxu8644C34


I tried to embed, but it never works for me

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012 2:12 am 
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That bookshop brings up some interesting memories. I went there when I was in Dublin. When I went up to the counter with my purchases, the clerk asked me (in English) if I wanted a bag. I replied "Níor mhaith, go raibh maith agat" and she came back with "huh?" 8O

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
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Ab é sin siopa leabharthach Chonradh na Gaeilge? Chuaigh mé ann uair amháin (in 2002) agus labhair mé Gaeilg leis a' bhean óg a bhí ann agus d'fhreagair sí i nGaeilg :)
A Redwolf, nach bhfuil sé aisteach nach bhfuil Gaeilg ag bean atá 'g obair i siopa nach ndíoltar ann ach leabharthaí i nGaeilg? cha bheadh sí ábalta cuidiú leat dá mbeadh ceist agad nó rud ineacht...

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012 5:06 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Ab é sin siopa leabharthach Chonradh na Gaeilge? Chuaigh mé ann uair amháin (in 2002) agus labhair mé Gaeilg leis a' bhean óg a bhí ann agus d'fhreagair sí i nGaeilg :)
A Redwolf, nach bhfuil sé aisteach nach bhfuil Gaeilg ag bean atá 'g obair i siopa nach ndíoltar ann ach leabharthaí i nGaeilg? cha bheadh sí ábalta cuidiú leat dá mbeadh ceist agad nó rud ineacht...


Bhí sé an-aisteach ar fad.

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Téim ann ó am go h-am agus i gcónaí cloisim Gaeilge ann.

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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012 8:46 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
The translator is Nicholas Williams, by the way. He's also translated "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass."
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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
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Errigal wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
The translator is Nicholas Williams, by the way. He's also translated "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass."
Redwolf


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1654wjf3-6w



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 Post subject: Re: An Hobad
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The translator, Nicholas Williams, is an Englishman and a royalist. He taught me grammar in UCD many years ago. He speaks Irish in something approaching a Conamara accent (I'll let the native speakers decide how good it is) and speaks English in an unsurprisingly English accent. He learned Irish in Oxford as far as I can remember. An interesting man with a huge superiority complex! He wasn't everyone's cup of tea but I liked him a lot. BTW, he saw the idea of his name being translated as Mac Liam as an absolute nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Williams


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