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PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2016 11:53 am 
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Anyone help with the use of the double genitive with compound prepositions? I recently wanted to say, "Despite my friend's best efforts" and came up with "D'ainneoin dhíchill mo charad. Not sure if that's right, but then I got to thinking of the plural of friends and wondered about "Despite my friends' best efforts". I came up with "D'ainneoin dhíchill mo gcarad", Anyone got any thoughts on these constructions? GRMA.


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 Post subject: Re: Double genitive
PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2016 12:36 pm 
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Na Comaraigh wrote:
Anyone help with the use of the double genitive with compound prepositions? I recently wanted to say, "Despite my friend's best efforts" and came up with "D'ainneoin dhíchill mo charad. Not sure if that's right, but then I got to thinking of the plural of friends and wondered about "Despite my friends' best efforts". I came up with "D'ainneoin dhíchill mo gcarad", Anyone got any thoughts on these constructions? GRMA.


d’ainneoín dícheall mo charad = despite my friend’s best efforts
d’ainneoin dícheall mo chairde = despite my friends’ best efforts

There’s no lenition following d’ainneoin.
There’s no justifying of a double genitive here, so dícheall.
Carad as genitive plural is used only in some phrases,
the usual genitive plural is: cairde (e.g. Cumann na gCairde)
There’s definitely no eclipsis following mo.


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 Post subject: Re: Double genitive
PostPosted: Thu 15 Sep 2016 1:15 pm 
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d’ainneoín dícheall mo charad = despite my friend’s best efforts
d’ainneoin dícheall mo chairde = despite my friends’ best efforts

There’s no lenition following d’ainneoin.


are you sure? I'm not sure myself :) Normally in this case you should have a lenition, or do you drop it because of the dentals' rule? I couldn't find anything clear so far, concerning "ainneoin" at least, in Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí... :(

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 Post subject: Re: Double genitive
PostPosted: Fri 16 Sep 2016 11:59 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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d’ainneoín dícheall mo charad = despite my friend’s best efforts
d’ainneoin dícheall mo chairde = despite my friends’ best efforts

There’s no lenition following d’ainneoin.


are you sure? I'm not sure myself :) Normally in this case you should have a lenition, or do you drop it because of the dentals' rule? I couldn't find anything clear so far, concerning "ainneoin" at least, in Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí... :(


GGBC 4.13 wrote:
Ní shéimhítear ainmfhocal éiginnte ar lorg dála, fearacht, timpeall, trasna ná ar
lorg na réamhfhocal comhshuite ach i gcorrfhrása seanbhunaithe: fearacht daoine breoite;
trasna sléibhte; tar éis báistí; le haghaidh páistí
; ach tar éis bháis.

Okay, just ainmfhocail éiginnte, hmm.

GGBC 9.25 wrote:
tar éis thús gach bliana;


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