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 Post subject: Tá céist agam...
PostPosted: Tue 05 Apr 2016 10:36 pm 
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Conas a déarfa "long johns" nó "thermals" as Gaelainn? :GRMA:

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Apr 2016 10:49 pm 
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Aislingeach wrote:
Conas a déarfa "long johns" nó "thermals" as Gaelainn? :GRMA:


Déarfainn go dtugtar "Long Johns" air chón maith.

Ach má's rud é go bhfuil aistriúchán oifigiúil bhuait:

éadach teirmeach

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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
PostPosted: Wed 06 Apr 2016 10:40 am 
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A Chian,
Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair. Ach ní thuigim “chón maith”. “Good cone”? Nó an bhfuil sé cor cainte? :GRMA:

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Aislingeach wrote:
A Chian,
Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair. Ach ní thuigim “chón maith”. “Good cone”? Nó an bhfuil sé cor cainte? :GRMA:


chón maith = chomh maith = as well
in East Munster Irish.


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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
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Labhrás wrote:
chón maith = chomh maith = as well
in East Munster Irish.


Gaoluinn na nDéise?

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Aislingeach wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
chón maith = chomh maith = as well
in East Munster Irish.


Gaoluinn na nDéise?


Is ea.


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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
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Labhrás wrote:
Aislingeach wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
chón maith = chomh maith = as well
in East Munster Irish.


Gaoluinn na nDéise?


Is ea.


:good:

Ach do bhíodh "chón maith" le cloisint ar fad an chósta ó dheisceart Phort Láirge go Sciobairín (Corcaigh).

Má thá suim agat insa leithéid, léigh an leabhar san do sgríg Brian Ó Cuív Irish Dialects and Irish-Speaking Districts (le ceannach ó shuíomh an Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies).

Ach, ins an chéad chuid don leabhar, tugann sé fé dhein mheath na Gaoluinne i nÉirinn go mion. 'Sé an caibidiol is feárr a léigheas mar gheall ar an ngnéith sin don dteangain agus is fiú an leabhar a cheannach ar mhaithe leis an gcaibidiol sin amháin.


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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
PostPosted: Thu 07 Apr 2016 10:27 pm 
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I cannot believe dialectal difference didn't occur to me! And I know Cian has Gaoluinn na nDéise!
:bash:

I have been away from my studies too long. I think I may create a database for such dialectal differences as I come across them. And I will definitely be ordering Irish Dialects and Irish-Speaking Districts on payday.

Go raibh maith agaibh do bhúr gcabhair!

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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
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Aislingeach wrote:
I cannot believe dialectal difference didn't occur to me! And I know Cian has Gaoluinn na nDéise!
:bash:

I have been away from my studies too long. I think I may create a database for such dialectal differences as I come across them. And I will definitely be ordering Irish Dialects and Irish-Speaking Districts on payday.

Go raibh maith agaibh do bhúr gcabhair!


:good:

Here's a direct link: https://books.dias.ie/index.php?main_pa ... ucts_id=71

Ó Cuív's description of the sub-dialects of Munster is on the whole really quite good, as he makes reference to particular dialects that are no longer with us and have not been recorded to any great detail as far as I know. However, he can make some broad generalisations that are false/ or only partly true; which, to be fair one might expect in a general study of this type, he says so himself.

For instance, he states that where i is often diphthongised in Déise Irish, e.g. binn, it is not in East Cork Irish, i.e. Knockonore (technically Waterford) and Knockadoon. However, I have it on good authority - from someone who would have heard the last of the native Irish speakers from Dungourney - that they did quite frequently diphthongise the i as Déise speakers do.

For instance, notice Séamas Breatnach's (from Knockadoon, Ballymacoda) - http://www.doegen.ie/LA_1044d1 - diphthongisation of i in éinne and roimhe, very Déise like. He also displays features that would be very strong in (East) Muskerry, but would be atypical, or wouldn't occur as frequently anywhere else, such as the leniting of the th in sábháilthe. Examples like these are lovely because you get an idea of the dialectal continuum that used to run along the coast from Waterford to Cork and beyond.

Cian

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 Post subject: Re: Tá céist agam...
PostPosted: Fri 08 Apr 2016 9:09 am 
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Pity every dialect couldn't have been captured earlier, as in the 19th century or even earlier. It makes my heart heavy to think of what was lost

Anyone have any idea of the causes of diphthongisation in Irish for í & é to 'ai'?

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