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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014 8:57 pm 
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I think what Breandán means is that there is more than one way to translate most, maybe all, things. In English, courage and bravery would be considered to mean the same thing so people may well offer alternative translations which are equally good.

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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014 9:02 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
I think what Breandán means is that there is more than one way to translate most, maybe all, things. In English, courage and bravery would be considered to mean the same thing so people may well offer alternative translations which are equally good.

:yes:

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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014 10:19 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Saoirse wrote:
I think what Breandán means is that there is more than one way to translate most, maybe all, things. In English, courage and bravery would be considered to mean the same thing so people may well offer alternative translations which are equally good.

:yes:

And to add to that, Irish is a case where the vocabulary in terms of sheer volume is more limited than English (then again, English has a vast vocabulary due to being global) but semantically, on a word by word level, Irish words are richer and can have more meanings.


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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
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I am excited to know about these "richer" words, so long as they don't cause indigestion, I have an ulcer. now that I think about it, rich creams and hazelnuts were supposed to be consumed in ancient life, its odd but here in America I cannot find a hazelnut at any of my grocery stores, only hazelnut "flavor"


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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Sat 19 Apr 2014 11:26 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Here's one set of options:

Críonnacht "Wisdom"
Cráifeacht "Piety"
Fadbhreathnaitheacht "Vision"
Misneach "Courage"
Ionracas "Integrity"
Buanseasmhacht "Perseverance"
Aíocht "Hospitality"
Measarthacht "Moderation"
Torthúlacht "Fertility"

There are several possible translations for many of these, e.g., misneach could also be calmacht, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Sat 19 Apr 2014 11:35 pm 
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can part of a word be disected like in English, such I saw almost all of the 9 you listed, had "acht" at the end, simple coincidence or important language building blocks?


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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Sun 20 Apr 2014 1:05 am 
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Zekra wrote:
Breandán wrote:
Here's one set of options:

Críonnacht "Wisdom"
Cráifeacht "Piety"
Fadbhreathnaitheacht "Vision"
Misneach "Courage"
Ionracas "Integrity"
Buanseasmhacht "Perseverance"
Aíocht "Hospitality"
Measarthacht "Moderation"
Torthúlacht "Fertility"

There are several possible translations for many of these, e.g., misneach could also be calmacht, etc.

Await further input ...

Zekra wrote:
can part of a word be disected like in English, such I saw almost all of the 9 you listed, had "acht" at the end, simple coincidence or important language building blocks?

You have detected an important language building block. :yes:

The -acht ending makes a noun out an adjective or sometimes an occupation. Some of the adjectives are:

críonna "wise, prudent"
cráifeach "pious, devout"
fadbhreathnaitheach "visionary, far-seeing"
buanseasmhacht "steadfast, persevering"
aíocht "hospitable"
neasartha "moderate, fair"
torthúil "fruitful, fertile, productive"

calma "stalwart, brave, strong"

ionraic "upright, honest"

As you can see, the -as ending also makes nouns, sometimes from other parts of speech.

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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
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how very different! are these pieces of words important by location?


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 Post subject: Re: Virtue
PostPosted: Sun 20 Apr 2014 5:16 pm 
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Zekra wrote:
how very different! are these pieces of words important by location?

Not so different from any other language. :dhera: -acht works in a very similar way to English -ness or Japanese -さ.

:??: I am not sure what you mean by "location" there, but Irish is highly inflected so if you add the definite article to these nouns intial mutations will occur, and colocating them with prepositions or other nouns also causes initial mutations and sometimes changes their endings.

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Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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