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PostPosted: Tue 15 Apr 2014 1:42 pm 
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mimerim wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
Beidh/Bheadh muid in ann a ghoil (a dhul) amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar/mbealach.
(Conamara dialect)


Bríd could you please help me with
Beidh vs. Bheadh
mbóthar vs. mbealach


Like Redwolf said previously you can use the future (Beidh) or the conditional (Bheadh).
Bóthar = road
bealach = way

we say "a ghoil" or "a ghabhail" (others will comment on the spelling)
but in standard I think the correct form is "a dhul"

Bheadh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar.

Beidh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar.

(as it is something they intend to do I'd use the future tense)

But that is not the only way to say it correctly either, like Breandán said.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 7:01 pm 
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Okay I think

Beidh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar.

should work but could someone give the literal translation back?


For the last one, I think it's between

Feicfidh mé ar an mbóthar thú, a dheartháir.
Feicfidh mé ar an bhóthar, a dheartháir.


So I guess my question is: Is thú mandatory, or is it optional, used only for emphasis? (As in "I'll see you on the road" vs. "I'll see YOU on the road")

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 8:10 pm 
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mimerim wrote:
Okay I think

Beidh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar.

should work but could someone give the literal translation back?


For the last one, I think it's between

Feicfidh mé ar an mbóthar thú, a dheartháir.
Feicfidh mé ar an bhóthar, a dheartháir.


So I guess my question is: Is thú mandatory, or is it optional, used only for emphasis? (As in "I'll see you on the road" vs. "I'll see YOU on the road")


tú/thú - is the pronoun "you", so if you are talking to somebody it has to be used.
For emphasis we use "tusa/thusa", but it's not needed in this context.

Breakdown -
Beidh muid [we will be] in ann [able] a dhul [to go] amú [lost] oraibh [on them] go héasca [easily] ar an mbóthar [on the road].

ar an mbóthar thú - Conamara usage
ar an bhóthar thú - Standard

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 9:00 pm 
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Perfect. Awesome. Thank you so much, everyone.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 9:23 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
ar an mbóthar thú - Conamara usage
ar an bhóthar thú - Standard

Correction:

ar an mbóthar - Conamara and standard usage
ar an bhóthar - Standard Ulster usage

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014 9:54 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
ar an mbóthar thú - Conamara usage
ar an bhóthar thú - Standard

Correction:

ar an mbóthar - Conamara and standard usage
ar an bhóthar - Standard Ulster usage



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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014 3:20 am 
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Cool. :winkgrin:

I'm wondering though. Does

Beidh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar.

sound at all cowardly? I don't want it to sound cowardly.

To me, as an American, "We could easily lose them on the road" doesn't sound at all cowardly. But "We could easily get away from them on the road" does. The verb makes all the difference. "Losing them" is taking action and a bit brave, "getting away from them" is fleeing and a bit weak.

If someone was confronted by a rowdy group and said, "Beidh muid in ann a dhul amú oraibh go héasca ar an mbóthar," does the person sound practical, taking matters into his own hands, doing the right/slightly brave thing, or does the person sound like a coward who's fleeing?

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