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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014 5:07 pm 
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Dia dhaoibh, a chairde!

Hope you can help me with some spoken sentences I can't fully understand.

I am writing my master's thesis about English elements the Irish language used in "Ros na Rún", but there are a few sentences I can't analyse because I don't understand all the words. Any help would be very welcome!

I uploaded the audio files of the sentences in question here: https://sd2.1und1.de/guest?path=Audio%2 ... viewType=0
(You need to click on the green button.)

As it's from a tv programme I can give you the subtitles along with my transcription so far. Parts I don't understand are marked "(...)".

1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when".

2) dinnear
Ah, frig an dinnéar!/Friggin' dinnéar! I mean, Bernie, ní mé (...) troid leat ach...
subtitle: Forget dinner. I don't want to fight.
Again, it's very important for me if it's "frig an" or "friggin'".

3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

4) drive
(...) your lads just... níl drive ar bith agat.
subtitle: Jason, you lack drive.

5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna". Or could it be some emphatic form like the -sa added to words?

6) quality_time2
Quality time (...)
Quality time my ass!

7) think
(...) think (...) níos luaithe í?
Do you think i should start this earlier?

8) tips_conference
Haigh, bhfuel, 'bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, (...) piocadh suas (...) tips éigin den chonference.
You picked up some tips at the conference.

I know that's a lot, but I would be really grateful if you could help me. It's actually 1), 4) 5), and 7) that I'm most interested in. So if anyone has any hints on those... Please?


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014 6:34 pm 
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It's not opening for me.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014 7:23 pm 
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Oh, that's strange...

Does this work?
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc12/show. ... 2&fclick=y


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014 8:05 pm 
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*Aisling* wrote:
Dia dhaoibh, a chairde!

Hope you can help me with some spoken sentences I can't fully understand.

I am writing my master's thesis about English elements the Irish language used in "Ros na Rún", but there are a few sentences I can't analyse because I don't understand all the words. Any help would be very welcome!

I uploaded the audio files of the sentences in question here: https://sd2.1und1.de/guest?path=Audio%2 ... viewType=0
(You need to click on the green button.)

As it's from a tv programme I can give you the subtitles along with my transcription so far. Parts I don't understand are marked "(...)".

1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when".

2) dinnear
Ah, frig an dinnéar!/Friggin' dinnéar! I mean, Bernie, ní mé (...) troid leat ach...
subtitle: Forget dinner. I don't want to fight.
Again, it's very important for me if it's "frig an" or "friggin'".

3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

4) drive
(...) your lads just... níl drive ar bith agat.
subtitle: Jason, you lack drive.

5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna". Or could it be some emphatic form like the -sa added to words?

6) quality_time2
Quality time (...)
Quality time my ass!

7) think
(...) think (...) níos luaithe í?
Do you think i should start this earlier?

8) tips_conference
Haigh, bhfuel, 'bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, (...) piocadh suas (...) tips éigin den chonference.
You picked up some tips at the conference.

I know that's a lot, but I would be really grateful if you could help me. It's actually 1), 4) 5), and 7) that I'm most interested in. So if anyone has any hints on those... Please?



1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when".

I think she says “ehm” I’m not the best understanding yer one with the red hair.
The answer is “Muise, níl “clue” agam”.



2) dinnear
Ah, frig an dinnéar!/Friggin' dinnéar! I mean, Bernie, ní mé (...) troid leat ach...
subtitle: Forget dinner. I don't want to fight.
Again, it's very important for me if it's "frig an" or "friggin'".

Ah, frig an dinnéar! I mean, Bernie, níl mé ag iarraidh a bheith ag troid leat ach..


3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).

She is hard to understand.


4) drive
(...) your lads just... níl drive ar bith agat.
subtitle: Jason, you lack drive.

Not a hundred precent sure, but fairly sure he says -
Sin é atá mí-cheart leatsa Jason, níl drive ar bith ionat.



5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna". Or could it be some emphatic form like the -sa added to words?

I think, but I’m not sure she says - “na suits sin”.



6) quality_time2
Quality time (...)
Quality time my ass!

Quality time mo leath-deiridh.


7) think
(...) think (...) níos luaithe í?
Do you think i should start this earlier?

Again I’m not sure ---
Is doiche gur cheart dúinn an giota beag sin a chuir isteach níos luaithe.


8) tips_conference
Haigh, bhfuel, 'bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, (...) piocadh suas (...) tips éigin den chonference.
You picked up some tips at the conference.

haigh, an bhfuil fhíos agat seo, ........
I’m not good with the Donegal accent, especially that woman who speaks very fast.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Mar 2014 10:22 pm 
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Wow, that's fantastic! Go raibh míle maith agat, a Bhríd!!

:GRMA:

Any more opinions?


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Mar 2014 12:48 am 
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Some of the diction is certainly not the clearest - They should listen to Coronation Street, Eastenders, etc. and pick up a few 'grand tips' on clear speech...
Bríd has pretty much decoded it... but here is what I heard, guessed, tried to make out... etc.


1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when".

Seo em..??.. cén uair a bhfuil tusa a dhul abhaile?
Muise níl cliú agam.



2) dinnear
Ah, frig an dinnéar!/Friggin' dinnéar! I mean, Bernie, ní mé (...) troid leat ach...
subtitle: Forget dinner. I don't want to fight.
Again, it's very important for me if it's "frig an" or "friggin'".

Ah frig an dinnéar... I mean, Bernie, níl mé ag iarraidh a bheith ag troid leat ach...


3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

Agus na hoícheannta uilig a raibh dinner parties agat agus cuireadh an ruaig orm suí síos sa bheár


4) drive
(...) your lads just... níl drive ar bith agat.
subtitle: Jason, you lack drive.

Seo 'tá mícheart leatsa a Jason, níl drive ar bith ionat


5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna". Or could it be some emphatic form like the -sa added to words?

An bhfuil a fhios agat seo, a Sheáin, tá lúchair orm go bhfuil tú ag dul a ofráil suas na fuddy-duddy suits in sa deireadh thiar thall


6) quality_time2
Quality time (...)
Quality time my ass!

Quality time mo leath deiridh

7) think
(...) think (...) níos luaithe í?
Do you think i should start this earlier?

Is dóiche gur cheart (dúinn) an giota beag isteach níos luaithe
...a chur isteach... ??


8) tips_conference
Haigh, bhfuel, 'bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, (...) piocadh suas (...) tips éigin den chonference.
You picked up some tips at the conference.

Haigh, bhuel an bhfuil a fhios agat seo, is furast aithne gur phioc tú suas grand tips ag an chonference

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Mar 2014 4:18 am 
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1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when"

Seo em..??.. cén uair a bhfuil tusa a dhul abhaile?

Braoin, I think she says Cá huair a mbeidh tusa ag gabháil chun an bhaile?

Aisling, cá huair, gabháil are the Donegal versions of cén uair, d(h)ul. And abhaile in Donegal is chun an bhaile, pronounced "na bhaile".



3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

Agus na hoícheannta uilig a raibh dinner parties agatsa agus cuireadh an ruaig orm suí síos sa bheár

She says ...agus cuireadh an ruaig ormsa síos chun an bheáir. "and I was chased down to the bar." Chun an bheáir - pronounced na bheár.


5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna".

An bhfuil a fhios agat seo, a Sheáin, tá lúchair orm go bhfuil tú ag dul a ofráil suas na fuddy-duddy suits in sa deireadh thiar thall

I don't think she says ofráil suas, Braoin. It sounds to me more like roll suas , "roll up". It fits the context, though I know the CO would have rolladh. Maybe roll is the Donegal version of rolladh? Or maybe she says something else entirely? :??:



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PostPosted: Mon 17 Mar 2014 9:46 am 
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Errigal wrote:
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1) abhaile
So ehm/when an (....) tusa dul abhaile?
subtitle: When will you be going home?
What I wonder most is whether she is saying "ehm" or "when"

Seo em..??.. cén uair a bhfuil tusa a dhul abhaile?

Braoin, I think she says Cá huair a mbeidh tusa ag gabháil chun an bhaile?

Aisling, cá huair, gabháil are the Donegal versions of cén uair, d(h)ul. And abhaile in Donegal is chun an bhaile, pronounced "na bhaile".



3) dinner_parties
Agus ní (...) dinner parties (...) cuireann ruig ormsa síos na bhar (?).
subtitle: I was banished to the pub whenever you had your dinner parties.

Agus na hoícheannta uilig a raibh dinner parties agatsa agus cuireadh an ruaig orm suí síos sa bheár

She says ...agus cuireadh an ruaig ormsa síos chun an bheáir. "and I was chased down to the bar." Chun an bheáir - pronounced na bheár.


5) fuddy-duddy
An bhfuil a fhios agat anseo, a Sheáin, tá lúcháir agam go bhfuil tú ag (tabhairt?) suas na fuddy-duddy suitsan sa deireadh (...).
subtitle: Seán, I'm glad you're giving up those fuddy-duddy suits at last.
I wonder if there's a double plural in "suitsan", i.e. if it's actually "suitsanna".

An bhfuil a fhios agat seo, a Sheáin, tá lúchair orm go bhfuil tú ag dul a ofráil suas na fuddy-duddy suits in sa deireadh thiar thall

I don't think she says ofráil suas, Braoin. It sounds to me more like roll suas , "roll up". It fits the context, though I know the CO would have rolladh. Maybe roll is the Donegal version of rolladh? Or maybe she says something else entirely? :??:



GRMA... That tidies up some of the bits I just couldn't get:

..ag gabháil chun a bhaile?... :)

chun an bheáir... definitely!!

and something like 'roll' with the meaning of 'rolling up' seems a lot closer than my guess.

I think with everybody together, the jigsaw is coming to a conclusion :)

Do you think we are near the mark on the 'drive' one? It's just so quick!!

...agus bíodh lá mór maith na Féile Pádraig inniu ad...

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Mar 2014 10:02 am 
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Just had a quick listen and I'm hearing more or less what Errigal and others have heard. For number five I thing its:

An bhfuil a fhios agat seo, a Sheáin, tá lúchair orm go bhfuil tú ag dul a chrochadh suas na fuddy-duddy suits in sa deireadh thiar thall

Braoin wrote:
...agus bíodh lá mór maith na Féile Pádraig inniu ad...


Gurab amhlaidh duit, a Bhraoin!

Slán,

Domhnall

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AnBraonach wrote:
Just had a quick listen and I'm hearing more or less what Errigal and others have heard. For number five I thing its:

An bhfuil a fhios agat seo, a Sheáin, tá lúchair orm go bhfuil tú ag dul a chrochadh suas na fuddy-duddy suits in sa deireadh thiar thall

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You're right. It's "chrochadh".

"Chrochadh" was actually what first occurred to me - not because that was what I heard, but because it was what best fitted the context. I couldn't hear the two 'ch' sounds or the 'oo' though, so thought it must be something else hence my shot in the dark 'roll' . :darklaugh: After listening to it again, I can just make out those three sounds. They're very light, barely there (to my ear).


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