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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec 2013 2:13 pm 
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Having just seen one outside my house I was curious to know what the word for Otter is.

I can find dobharchú, dobhrán, gaidhrín sáile agus madra uisce.

Can anyone tell me which is the most commonly used in Munster?

Wikipedia tells me that a dobharchú is a mythological otter like beast. But then Wikipedia isint a flawless source.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec 2013 2:58 pm 
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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
Having just seen one outside my house I was curious to know what the word for Otter is.

I can find dobharchú, dobhrán, gaidhrín sáile agus madra uisce.

Can anyone tell me which is the most commonly used in Munster?

Wikipedia tells me that a dobharchú is a mythological otter like beast. But then Wikipedia isint a flawless source.


Madar uisce (well, that is what it sounds like after you run madra and uisce together).


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 6:32 pm 
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mada uisce - is what we say in Conamara too.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 9:27 pm 
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Definitely Madra Uisce, sometimes pronounced Madar Uisce as patrick said, and also Mada Uisce as Bríd said.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 9:59 pm 
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Definitely Madra Uisce, sometimes pronounced Madar Uisce as patrick said,


so it's "Madara Uisce" in Munster, right? :)

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 10:16 pm 
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Yeah, Madara Uisce, but the last a in Madara is often elided and also people typically don't include the helping/epenthetic vowel in the spelling (Madra).

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 4:03 am 
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but the last a in Madara is often elided


as are all final -a and -e when followed by a word that starts with a vowel... so we can write "madara uisce" just as we write duine uasal and not duin uasal etc :)

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but the last a in Madara is often elided


as are all final -a and -e when followed by a word that starts with a vowel... so we can write "madara uisce" just as we write duine uasal and not duin uasal etc :)


Lúghaidh, the question for me is the plural.

I have seen this word written madaruisce (one word). I've found it another source as madra-uisge, with a hyphen.

So what is the plural? I don't have attestation of that - would it be as if two words? Madraí uisce? Or would it be as one word? Madaruiscí? Madra-uiscí? Madaruisceacha?

I'm thinking of machtíre for "wolf" (not mac tíre, by the way) - where the plural is machtírí (not *mic tíre).

Clearly the question of what the plural is could only be solved by attestation of the form.


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 8:44 am 
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I see Maidhc Dainín had madraí uisce in the plural: http://www.coisceim.ie/madraiuisce.html


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So what is the plural? I don't have attestation of that - would it be as if two words? Madraí uisce? Or would it be as one word? Madaruiscí? Madra-uiscí? Madaruisceacha?

I'm thinking of machtíre for "wolf" (not mac tíre, by the way) - where the plural is machtírí (not *mic tíre).

You have found Maidhc Dainín's book, but just to say that is definitely the plural in Corca Dhuibhne, it's the only one I've heard used.
What is it in Conamara?

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