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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013 10:12 pm 
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Small typo, but we don't want to mislead anyone:

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Tá Seán ag bualadh liom Seán is meeting with me
Tá Seán ám (ag + mo) bhualadh Seán is striking me

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013 10:15 pm 
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Is ag+mo pronounced ám?

I've always wondered about the quality of the vowel here - I don't have any knowledge of how it is pronounced myself - but 'am' in this meaning was, I thought/ either /am/ or /@m/, or possibly /im'/ before a slender vowel - but ám indicates it is a long vowel, and possibly a long back one?


And is the pronunciation distinct from the colloquial a'am [= agam]?

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Oct 2013 12:53 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:


For some reason the links to these are dead both from the forum and from my bookmarks.

seomra codlata

Séo é mo sheomra codlata.

Does the h here have to do with the article and seomra codlata? There is no article, definite or not, just a possessive, ("my"). But, in other words, is seomra a masculine noun like in the wombat's link and you only see the h when its in a sentence?


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Oct 2013 2:04 pm 
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The Merry Ploughboy wrote:
Does the h here have to do with the article and seomra codlata?
mo causes séimhiú on both masculine and feminine words that start with p, t, c, f, s (usually), b, d, g, and m.


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2013 3:01 pm 
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In one of the examples in RS, a boy is introducing himself to a girl. He says:
"Dia duit. Tá sé deas bualadh leat."
This I read to say, "God to you. Is it nice meet with you."

In another example, one I posted before, a man is introducing himself to another man. He says:
"Dia duit. Is deas liom bualadh leat."
This I read to say (as per an instruction from someone earlier), "God to you. Is nice with me meet with you."

My question is, why the difference in the greetings? Is it just like we say in English "Nice to meet you" v. "Pleasure to meet you?" I.E. just two examples of saying hi. Or does the type of greeting depend on the greeters, i.e., boy and girl, man and man?


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The Merry Ploughboy wrote:
In one of the examples in RS, a boy is introducing himself to a girl. He says:"Dia duit. Tá sé deas bualadh leat."This I read to say, "God to you. Is it nice meet with you."

In another example, one I posted before, a man is introducing himself to another man. He says:"Dia duit. Is deas liom bualadh leat."This I read to say (as per an instruction from someone earlier), "God to you. Is nice with me meet with you."

My question is, why the difference in the greetings? Is it just like we say in English "Nice to meet you" v. "Pleasure to meet you?" I.E. just two examples of saying hi. Or does the type of greeting depend on the greeters, i.e., boy and girl, man and man?
They both basically mean, 'Hello, nice to meet you'. Gender of speaker or other person is irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2013 1:24 pm 
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As I understand it, certain prepositions cause lenition, while only the preposition "in" causes eclipses.

So if cathaoir is chair, why is "on the chair" gcathaoir and not chathaoir? This seems like lenition and not eclipses.


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Wait...is it because it's "on the"? I.E. ar an, which triggers eclipses? preposition + article in the singular = eclipses?


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The Merry Ploughboy wrote:
Wait...is it because it's "on the"? I.E. ar an, which triggers eclipses? preposition + article in the singular = eclipses?

Yes, i causes eclipsis on its own. Most other prepositions cause lenition on their own, except ag, as, chuig, and le.

However, when there is an intervening article an, eclipsis is the rule in Connemara/Connacht and Munster (lenition in Donegal/Ulster), except for sa = i + an which causes lenition in CO, Munster and Donegal/Ulster, but eclipsis in Connemara/Connacht.

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CaoimhínSF wrote:
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Is ag+mo pronounced ám?

I've always wondered about the quality of the vowel here - I don't have any knowledge of how it is pronounced myself - but 'am' in this meaning was, I thought/ either /am/ or /@m/, or possibly /im'/ before a slender vowel - but ám indicates it is a long vowel, and possibly a long back one?


And is the pronunciation distinct from the colloquial a'am [= agam]?

Well, I know in Munster people say "am" as /@m/, at least that is what I have heard. Maybe a few say /am/.

Forms of ag and possessive pronouns use the fada to indicate stress, which is uncommon today.

ag á = at his

With the fada indicating stress, not length.

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