More innuendo on an innocent thread about phonology. Alert the village elders!


Sure! There are four types of broad r and two types of slender r.

Broad r:
1. The basic broad r sound is a tap, basically the front of the tongue taps against the aveolar ridge.
Similar to the r in oro in Spanish. However unlike Spanish and a good few other languages the
back of the tongue is raised when you make this sound.

2. Before slender t, d, l and n, you don't raise the back of the tongue, you only do the tap.
Example: Comhairle.

3. In songs sometimes the English style r is used.

4. Again in songs, sometime the English style r with the back of the tongue raised is used.

Slender r:
1. After other slender consonanats, you use the tapped r, but with the front of the tongue raised.

2. Otherwise you use the z-like sound for slender r. I don't know how to describe it in a simple fashion.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Ive seen for other Diagrams for other languages as to where the tongue moves to form certain sounds, this would be very handy for Irish.

Failing that Im going to have to go book a lesson to help with my pronunciation.

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Bíonn rudaí maithe mall

There is a book of such diagrams called Bunchúrsa Foghraíochta:

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=797

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Thanks for that. The difference between the basic broad r and broad r before a slender t, td, l and n is something I'll have to listen out for since that has escaped my attention up until now.

I've heard the English r in singing a lot. I think it's because you can't sing a long sustained note if you're just doing a quick tap.

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Táim ag foghlaim fós. Fáilte roimh gach aon cheartúchán.

Ba bhreá liom a bheith in ann na leabhair mar gheall ar an bhfoghraíocht a thuiscint!

http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/
Bhí sé ar intinn agam an leabhar a théann leis an suíomh seo a cheannach ach sílim go bhfuil sé an-deacair rudaí mar seo a fhoghlaim i d'aonar.

Na fuaimeannaí féin? nó an teangeolaíocht srl?
Má tá ceist agad fán teangeolaíocht, na téarmaí srl, cuir ceist orm

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

Go raibh míle maith agat, a Lughaidh.
Beidh roinnt ceisteanna agam ort!
D'oscail mé an leabhar Búnchúrsa Foghraíocht (arís!) agus is é an r caol an sampla deireannach sa leabhar. Fuaim 50.
Le cabhair an fhoclóra d'aimsigh mé na focail nach raibh ar eolas agam.

r caol
láir
Bíonn an coguas (soft palate) ardaithe leis an mbealach amach tríd an tsrón a dhúnadH ar an sruth aeir.
Buailtear cnag beag le rinn na teanga ar thosach an ailbheolais. (alveola, thickened ride of bone that contains the teeth)
Árdaitear tosach na teanga i dtrea tosach an charbaill (hard palate)
Gabhann tonnchrith ar théad an ghutha.

Tá an fuaimeanna ar fáil ar
http://www.nuim.ie/language/services/50fuaim_001.mp3

Ag tús an leabhair leis na léaráidí is é an míniú atá ar
carball ná
(saigheada mar chomhartha ar an sruth aeir)

Ní thuigim an focal saigheada ? arrow
Mar sin ní thuigim cén bhfeidhm atá leis an gcarball.

Táim chun fuaim 50 a chur ar mo mp3 anois.
Níl bua an cheoil agam (mar atá ag Redwolf) mar sin sílim go bhfuil sé níos deacra domsa na fuaimeanna a chloisteáil gan trácht ar aithreas a dhéanamh orthu.
GRMMA.