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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 11:55 am 
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dia daoibh aríst, just a small question concerning pronunciation, as far as verbs ending in -igh go, am I right in saying in the connacht they pronounce the second part of the word with a kind of "uh" sound ? ceannaigh - "ceann-uh" while in munster its more of a "ig" sound? anyone know what they use in ulster? Id like to pick one for the sake of consistency.

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 12:04 pm 
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dia daoibh aríst, just a small question concerning pronunciation, as far as verbs ending in -igh go, am I right in saying in the connacht they pronounce the second part of the word with a kind of "uh" sound ? ceannaigh - "ceann-uh" while in munster its more of a "ig" sound? anyone know what they use in ulster? Id like to pick one for the sake of consistency.


concerning the -(a)igh or -(a)idh endings, you have to distinguish:

- when they are followed by a subject pronoun (mé, tú, sé, sí, muid/sinn, sibh, siad), the endings are normally pronounced "uh" everywhere.

- when they are followed by something else (nouns etc), the endings are normally pronounced:
-ig in Munster
-uh in Connachta
-ee (short) in Ulster.

So:

cheannaigh mé -> hyah-nuh may (everywhere)

cheannaigh Dónall -> hyah-nig Doh-nuhll (M), hyah-nuh Doh-nuhll (C), hyah-nee Doh-nuhll (U)

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 Post subject: Re: -igh
PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 6:08 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
- when they are followed by a subject pronoun (mé, tú, sé, sí, muid/sinn, sibh, siad), the endings are normally pronounced "uh" everywhere.

cheannaigh mé -> hyah-nuh may (everywhere)


:good: , In Munster, the "ch" isn't pronounced like a "h" it retains the "ch"'s light to heavy guttural sound.

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In Munster, the "ch" isn't pronounced like a "h" it retains the "ch"'s light to heavy guttural sound.


I know... the slender ch is used in this word in all dialects, but how else could I transcribe it? it doesn't exist in English, except in some dialects in words like "huge" or "Hugh"... I used "hy-" for that but it looks like it's not self-evident for all English speakers. But I don't know how I could transcribe the slender ch sound otherwise...........

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 Post subject: Re: -igh
PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 8:46 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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In Munster, the "ch" isn't pronounced like a "h" it retains the "ch"'s light to heavy guttural sound.


I know... the slender ch is used in this word in all dialects, but how else could I transcribe it? it doesn't exist in English, except in some dialects in words like "huge" or "Hugh"... I used "hy-" for that but it looks like it's not self-evident for all English speakers. But I don't know how I could transcribe the slender ch sound otherwise...........

I think your phonic of "hy" for the slender ch is spot on, a Lughaidh. :good:

We were taught that the slender ch in German (identical to the Irish one) is like the h in "human", when clearly pronounced (which is of course the same as the h's in "huge" or "Hugh".) :yes:

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 10:20 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
cheannaigh mé -> hyah-nuh may (everywhere)


In Donegal, it's more like "hyah-nuh muh" (IPA: [ˈçan̪ˠə mʲə]); the vowel of also gets reduced to schwa.

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 Post subject: Re: -igh
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In GD etc, people rather say [ˈçan ̪ˠə mʲa]. But I wrote "may" because it exists everywhere and I didn't want to give 1500 pronunciations -- what I wanted to say there, is that the ending -(a)igh is an "uh" sound in all dialects when followed by a subject pronoun.

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