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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:02 am 
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I don't know the name, but if it is an authentic Irish name, could it perhaps come from céibh + fhionn (fair hair/tress of hair)?

I have seen céibh in old poetry I think, related to ciabh.


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:03 am 
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Here it is:

bhí gríos-ghrua ghartha aici ´gus lainnir ina céibh mar ór

in the poem Úirchill an Chreagáin.


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:06 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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I found myself wondering if it's an attempt to back-phoneticize "Kevin," possibly done by someone who doesn't realize that "Kevin" is an Anglicization of "Caoimhín."


yes, and who doesn't know how to spell or pronounce Irish, because Céibhionn can't be pronounced like "Kevin" :)


Well, "Caoimhín" doesn't sound a bit like "Kevin," but it's the name that gave rise to it. "Céibhionn" sounds much closer to an English-speaker's ears, particularly if he or she isn't familiar with the subtleties of the broad and slender consonants.

But I'd assume that, if someone posited "Céibhionn," he or she WOULDN'T be an Irish speaker, because he or she would already know that "Kevin" came from "Caoimhín."

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:36 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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The y glide is always there, as is the w glide,

they aren't always there, consonants are palatalized or velarized or bilabialized, but it doesn't mean there's always a glide...

They aren't always _obvious_ but the basis of the glide is always _there_ in the palatization or velarization or bilabialization.

The glide isn't something you "add" to the consonant, it is part of the consonant's basic pronunciation and becomes more obvious in certain situations.

Redwolf wrote:
But I'd assume that, if someone posited "Céibhionn," he or she WOULDN'T be an Irish speaker, because he or she would already know that "Kevin" came from "Caoimhín."

When the OP said they had a "fantastic" name, I just assumed they'd made it up for a story or something. :LOL:

There's also an actual word (as opposed to given name) céibheann "fair-haired lady" in FGB (Irish-English dictionary), which would be pronounced KAY-vun /k´e:w´əN/.

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Redwolf wrote:
I found myself wondering if it's an attempt to back-phoneticize "Kevin," possibly done by someone who doesn't realize that "Kevin" is an Anglicization of "Caoimhín."


heh... no, this is not a name I made up =) it's the modern simplified version of the old Irish Ceibhfhionn, without the silent -fh-. Mythological figure - Irish goddess of inspiration who guards the well of knowledge. It's one of my middle names, and I thought that with this as a name I should have a better idea of it's proper pronunciation as I've always told people it's pronounced "kay-vuhn," but upon learning something about Irish pronunciation realized I was probably not saying it entirely correctly myself =P...


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:41 am 
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And yep... the literal meaning of the name is "lady of fair locks" you got it :)


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 12:55 am 
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I'm also American, so I have my New Jersey accent tendencies to get in the way as well... I've always said it with the same vowel sound as "day," but apparently that's not accurate.


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The glide isn't something you "add" to the consonant, it is part of the consonant's basic pronunciation and becomes more obvious in certain situations.


that's not what is called a glide in phonetics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel

In "céibhionn", the c isn't followed by a glide, in this case, being slender only means that the c is palatalised ie. pronounced further front than a normal c (which is velar).
And there's no glide either after the bh (unlike before a long vowel, like "bheo", which really is "vyaw" which a glide, this time).

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2012 2:14 am 
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ceibeckett wrote:
I'm also American, so I have my New Jersey accent tendencies to get in the way as well... I've always said it with the same vowel sound as "day," but apparently that's not accurate.


For what it's worth and from someone who hasn't the faintest idea what a "bilabialized consonant" sounds like - I have a son named Kevin and on various trips back to Donegal (Cruacha Gorma region) my father-in-law, to my son's chagrin, always called him "Keev-un"


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Lughaidh wrote:
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The glide isn't something you "add" to the consonant, it is part of the consonant's basic pronunciation and becomes more obvious in certain situations.


that's not what is called a glide in phonetics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semivowel

In "céibhionn", the c isn't followed by a glide, in this case, being slender only means that the c is palatalised ie. pronounced further front than a normal c (which is velar).
And there's no glide either after the bh (unlike before a long vowel, like "bheo", which really is "vyaw" which a glide, this time).

Oh, well, I'll leave the phonetics up to you. I only do phonemics and phonics. :LOL:

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