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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jul 2025 4:32 am 
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How would one say, "the most drunken man I have ever seen".

You could obviously say an fear is ólta atá feicthe agam/a chonac riamh, but ólta seems like it could be considered Béarlachas. I assume an fear is mó (a bhí?) ar meisce a chonac riamh, but what about other phrases that require a noun which would instead require a noun where in English a past participle would be used. For example, how would one say "the most angry man I have ever seen". An fear is mó (go raibh?) fearg air a chonac riamh? Obviously you could say An fear is feargaí a chonac riamh, and that might be more natural. Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jul 2025 2:19 pm 
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an fear is mó atá ar meisce?
an fear is mó go bhfuil fearg air?


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 Post subject: Re: the most x
PostPosted: Sat 26 Jul 2025 3:09 pm 
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fear sármheisce ?


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 Post subject: Re: the most x
PostPosted: Sat 26 Jul 2025 8:07 pm 
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Féach cad a fuaras agus mé ag cuardú an Chorpais Stairiúla don fhreagara.
Foras Feasa ar Éirinn I (1908), p. 110: “[…]fillfead ar an ngnáth-roinn atá ar Éirinn ó aimsir Fear mBolg i leith, ó's í is mó atá ar bun do shíor[…]”.
Agus seo mar a dh'aistríodh i mBéarla é (p. 111): “[…]I shall return to the usual division which is on Ireland from the time of the Firbolg apart, for it is it is the most permanently established[…]”
Dá bhrí sin is dó liom gurb é leagan David is fearr más í caint Ghaelainn na Mumhan atá uait. “An fear is mó atá ar meisce dá bhfeaca riamh.”
Ach ar ndóigh ní foláir nó tá cainteanna eile ann leis.


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‘The angriest man I have ever seen’ - The full version in Irish, using the structure above: An fear is mó a/go raibh fearg air dá bhfaca mé riamh. With the two relative clauses it seems a wee bit clumsy to me (but maybe not in the least to a native or anyone else), so maybe: An fear is mó/ba mhó fearg dá bhfaca mé riamh (or of course a chonaic mé).


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Hang on - is “ní fhaca” actually “ní fheaca” in Munster Irish? I.e [ni: akə], not [ni: ɑkə]???


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jul 2025 12:44 am 
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Errigal wrote:
‘The angriest man I have ever seen’ - The full version in Irish, using the structure above: An fear is mó a/go raibh fearg air dá bhfaca mé riamh. With the two relative clauses it seems a wee bit clumsy to me (but maybe not in the least to a native or anyone else), so maybe: An fear is mó/ba mhó fearg dá bhfaca mé riamh (or of course a chonaic mé).



As you say, Errigal, an fear is mó fearg is fine in Irish.

Peadar Ua Laoghaire said this about an fear is mó cainnt:

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An t-é is mór caint ní h-é is maith ciall go minic. Often the person who is great of speech is not the person who is good in sense.
Is minic nách é an t-é is uasal cáil is uasal méinn. It often happens that it is not the person who enjoys the noble name that has the noble dis- position.
The is which grammarians set down as the SIGN of the superlative, is in reality nothing but this relative is. An fear is mór caint is exactly the same construction as an fear is mó caint.
An fear is mór caint. The person who has much talk.
An fear is mó caint. The person who has more talk (than anyone else), i.e., the man who has most talk.
An fear is feár. The man who is better (than any one else), i.e., the man who is best.
An fear is óige. The man who is younger (than any one else), i.e., the man who is youngest.
An fear is sine. The man who is older (than any one else), i.e., oldest.
An fear ba threise. The man who was stronger (than any one else), i.e., the man who was strongest.
<L 20> An fear dob óige. The man who was younger (than any one else), i.e., the man who was the youngest.
An fear dob fheár. The man who was better (than any one else), i.e., the man who was best.
An fear ba mhó caint. The person who had more talk (than any one else), i.e., the man who had most talk.
An fear ba mhór caint. The man who was of much talk, i.e., the man who had a lot of talk.
Ba mhinic nár bh'é an fear dob uasal cáil an fear dob uasal méinn. It frequently happened that it was not the person who had the high name that had the noble dis- position


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 Post subject: Re: the most x
PostPosted: Tue 29 Jul 2025 1:14 am 
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beepbopboop wrote:
Hang on - is “ní fhaca” actually “ní fheaca” in Munster Irish? I.e [ni: akə], not [ni: ɑkə]???


It's most often pronounced /n´akə/, i.e. n'fheaca

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