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 Post subject: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018 5:38 pm 
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Is it Cúige Mumhan or Mhumhan? Since it’s Cúige Chonnacht, I’d have to think it would be Mhumhan, and I have found it online, but Mumhan seems to be much more common.


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:03 pm 
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It's Cúige Mumhan, I'm 100% sure.
But after other nouns, one mainly uses "na Mumhan" = Gaelainn na Mumhan...

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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:12 pm 
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OK, thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:46 pm 
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I second that - if you look it up on the Irish language Wikipedia (Vicipéid) - it's on the Cúigí na hÉireann page.


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018 9:03 pm 
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Yeah, I assumed cúige was feminine after seeing Cúige Chonnacht, but it obviously isn't, so it's actually Chonnacht that's irregular.


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018 12:26 am 
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The genitive of proper nouns is aspirated. Maybe they look at "Connacht" as a noun and the others as adjectives. (And if you buy that explanation . . . :) )


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018 6:44 pm 
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The names of the provinces of Ireland are, actually, the names of old tribes. So their nominative form is actually a nominative plural form, and their genitive is a genitive plural:
Connachta (= the people of Connaught) > Connacht
Mumha (=The people of Munster) > Mumhan
Laighin (=The people of Leinster) > Laighean
Ulaidh (= The people of Ulster) > Uladh.

Also, in the dative case, they may have an -ibh ending because they are dative plurals: in Ultaibh, go Laighnibh...

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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018 7:30 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
The names of the provinces of Ireland are, actually, the names of old tribes. So their nominative form is actually a nominative plural form, and their genitive is a genitive plural:
Connachta (= the people of Connaught) > Connacht
Mumha (=The people of Munster) > Mumhan
Laighin (=The people of Leinster) > Laighean
Ulaidh (= The people of Ulster) > Uladh.

Also, in the dative case, they may have an -ibh ending because they are dative plurals: in Ultaibh, go Laighnibh...


except for Mumu/Mumhain. It is singular.


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Mon 19 Nov 2018 3:32 am 
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I guess Mumhan is just irregular in this case because it’s unlenited in the genitive?


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 Post subject: Re: Stupid (?) Question
PostPosted: Tue 20 Nov 2018 8:25 am 
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There are quite a few strange usages in Munster Irish. There may be an explanation or explanations but I never get any satisfactory (i.e. grammatical/semantical) answers.


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