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 Post subject: Translation help
PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2016 1:39 pm 
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Hello,

I need your help with a book dedication.

To the once and future warriors of Ireland, Mexico, and Argentina.
Bravery and love for freedom know no bounds.


Thanks a lot for your support.


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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr 2016 11:47 am 
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Hi again,

I'll try to clarify the quote a wee bit. Bravery and love for/of freedom ('of' in case you're a Nazareth fan ;) ) It's actually something I came up with to put on a title page of a book I finished last Monday. The story of the San Patricio Battalion in the background, I thought suchlike dedication would be spot-on (Argentina was an offshot :D ).

Appreciate your support and looking forward to your ideas,

Bests,

Cyril


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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Thu 21 Apr 2016 1:12 am 
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Cyril Wolfe wrote:
Hello, I need your help with a book dedication.

To the once and future warriors of Ireland, Mexico, and Argentina.
Bravery and love for freedom know no bounds.


Thanks a lot for your support.

I think people may be hesitating with this one because words like "once" and "future" don't have direct translations as adjectives in Irish, meaning that the expression will probably need to be reworded. Here's a possibility, but do wait for comments/corrections by others:

Do na gaiscígh a bhí ann agus le teacht in Éirinn, i Meicsiceo, agus san Airgintín.
To the warriors who have been and are to come in Ireland, Mexico, and Argentina.

An chalmacht agus an grá ar an tsaoirse, téann siad thar fóir ar fad.
Bravery and the love of freedom go far beyond all bounds.

for the second line, another possibility might be:

Níl teoraínn ar bith ag an gcalmacht ná ag an ngrá ar an tsaoirse.
Bravery and the love of freedom have no limit.

An added note is that i may have one or two superfluous definite articles up above here, so that's one area where there may be comments. Note that, in some cases, where the definite article ("the") would be customary in English, it may be omitted in Irish, and vice versa, and it's not always easy for non-native speakers to keep track of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Mon 25 Apr 2016 7:13 am 
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Thank you,

'Once' and 'future' were used in the same sense as 'The once and future king' in reference to the T.H. White's book. The broader connotation means warriors past and future.

Hope this helps to clarify.

Again, appreciate the insight,

Cyril


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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Tue 26 Apr 2016 11:47 am 
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Do laochra Éireann, Mheicsiceo agus na hAirgintíne a bhí agus a bheidh.
Níl teorainn (ar bith) leis an chrógacht ná leis an ghrá don tsaoirse.


Cyril, my "laochra" and CaoimhínSF's "gaiscigh" are synonyms, both ok. As are my "chrógacht" and his "chalmacht". Same thing with my "don tsaoirse" and his "ar an tsaoirse"

CaoimhínSF wrote:
Here's a possibility, but do wait for replies/corrections by others.

Do na gaiscígh a bhí ann agus le teacht in Éirinn, i Meicsiceo, agus san Airgintín.
To the warriors who have been and are to come in Ireland, Mexico, and Argentina.

An chalmacht agus an grá ar an tsaoirse, téann siad thar fóir ar fad.
Bravery and the love of freedom go far beyond all bounds.

for the second line, another possibility might be:

Níl teoraínn ar bith ag an gcalmacht ná ag an ngrá ar an tsaoirse.


Bravery and the love of freedom have no limit.

An added note is that i may have one or two superfluous definite articles up above here, so that's one area where there may be comments. Note that, in some cases, where the definite article ("the") would be customary in English, it may be omitted in Irish, and vice versa, and it's not always easy for non-native speakers to keep track of that.


CaomhínSF, I think you need "atá le teacht". I don't think "thar fóir" is suitable here.


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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Wed 27 Apr 2016 9:39 pm 
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Errigal wrote:
Do laochra Éireann, Mheicsiceo agus na hAirgintíne a bhí agus a bheidh.
Níl teorainn (ar bith) leis an chrógacht ná leis an ghrá don tsaoirse.


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 Post subject: Re: Translation help
PostPosted: Wed 04 May 2016 12:57 pm 
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Hi everyone,

A million thanks for the support. You've already been immortalized in my notes :D :D :D .

Cheers,

Cyril


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