Pronunciation video

Redwolf · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 9:32 pm

This video is kind of interesting. I'm concerned though, in that not only does she pretty much say that broad "t" and "d" are just as they are in English, to my ear it sounds like she's giving them an English pronunciation herself (it may just be my ear, but it sounds to me as if her tongue is hitting the hard palate, not pressed against the teeth).

Am I wrong here? Or is there a dialect of Irish in which the "d's" and "t's" are pronounced this way? Just seems to me that, if you're making a pronunciation guide, you should be extra careful with the sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII ... e=youtu.be

Saoirse · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 10:23 pm

Redwolf wrote:

This video is kind of interesting. I'm concerned though, in that not only does she pretty much say that broad "t" and "d" are just as they are in English, to my ear it sounds like she's giving them an English pronunciation herself (it may just be my ear, but it sounds to me as if her tongue is hitting the hard palate, not pressed against the teeth).

Am I wrong here? Or is there a dialect of Irish in which the "d's" and "t's" are pronounced this way? Just seems to me that, if you're making a pronunciation guide, you should be extra careful with the sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII ... e=youtu.be

Very interesting idea for a video. As a follow on to this video and Redwolf's comment about the 't' and 'd' sounds, I decided to look up 'Dia' in http://www.focloir.ie and listen to the three pronunciations given for the three main dialects. Do you all feel that each is accurate for the relevant dialect?

Redwolf · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 10:53 pm

Saoirse wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

This video is kind of interesting. I'm concerned though, in that not only does she pretty much say that broad "t" and "d" are just as they are in English, to my ear it sounds like she's giving them an English pronunciation herself (it may just be my ear, but it sounds to me as if her tongue is hitting the hard palate, not pressed against the teeth).

Am I wrong here? Or is there a dialect of Irish in which the "d's" and "t's" are pronounced this way? Just seems to me that, if you're making a pronunciation guide, you should be extra careful with the sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII ... e=youtu.be

Very interesting idea for a video. As a follow on to this video and Redwolf's comment about the 't' and 'd' sounds, I decided to look up 'Dia' in http://www.focloir.ie and listen to the three pronunciations given for the three main dialects. Do you all feel that each is accurate for the relevant dialect?

I can't seem to get the pronunciation utility to work. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. If I search on "Dia" in the pronunciation utility, I get "related matches" (for example). When I actually go into the pronunciation page, the closest equivalent it's giving me is "diabhal."

Redwolf

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2985

I couldn't find God either.

Saoirse · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 11:20 pm

Bríd Mhór wrote:

I couldn't find God either.

That is worrying as word on the street is that God is everywhere! :hide:

Try: http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/god?q=God#god__1

Redwolf · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 11:40 pm

Bríd Mhór wrote:

I couldn't find God either.

Oh no, Bríd...we're in trouble now! :darklaugh:

Redwolf · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 11:41 pm

Saoirse wrote:

Bríd Mhór wrote:

I couldn't find God either.

That is worrying as word on the street is that God is everywhere! :hide:

Try: http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/god?q=God#god__1

Thanks...that worked! Sounds right to me for Ulster.

Redwolf

Redwolf · **Posted:** Tue 11 Aug 2015 11:45 pm

Kinda scary how much easier it is to find "diabhal" than "Dia"! There's a sermon in that, I'm sure!

Labhrás · **Joined:** Sat 03 May 2014 4:01 pm **Posts:** 1966

Saoirse wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

This video is kind of interesting. I'm concerned though, in that not only does she pretty much say that broad "t" and "d" are just as they are in English, to my ear it sounds like she's giving them an English pronunciation herself (it may just be my ear, but it sounds to me as if her tongue is hitting the hard palate, not pressed against the teeth).

Am I wrong here? Or is there a dialect of Irish in which the "d's" and "t's" are pronounced this way? Just seems to me that, if you're making a pronunciation guide, you should be extra careful with the sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII ... e=youtu.be

Very interesting idea for a video. As a follow on to this video and Redwolf's comment about the 't' and 'd' sounds, I decided to look up 'Dia' in http://www.focloir.ie and listen to the three pronunciations given for the three main dialects. Do you all feel that each is accurate for the relevant dialect?

Dia (or diabhal

) is not a good example because there's a slender d which usually isn't dental.

Redwolf · **Posted:** Wed 12 Aug 2015 2:36 pm

Labhrás wrote:

Saoirse wrote:

Redwolf wrote:

This video is kind of interesting. I'm concerned though, in that not only does she pretty much say that broad "t" and "d" are just as they are in English, to my ear it sounds like she's giving them an English pronunciation herself (it may just be my ear, but it sounds to me as if her tongue is hitting the hard palate, not pressed against the teeth).

Am I wrong here? Or is there a dialect of Irish in which the "d's" and "t's" are pronounced this way? Just seems to me that, if you're making a pronunciation guide, you should be extra careful with the sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII ... e=youtu.be

Very interesting idea for a video. As a follow on to this video and Redwolf's comment about the 't' and 'd' sounds, I decided to look up 'Dia' in http://www.focloir.ie and listen to the three pronunciations given for the three main dialects. Do you all feel that each is accurate for the relevant dialect?

Dia (or diabhal

) is not a good example because there's a slender d which usually isn't dental.

I think that was a follow-up...it's not an example from the video.

What I'm hoping here is that a few people will listen to at least the first bit of the video I linked to and tell me if I'm right with my concern about the way the woman pronounces broad T and D. It concerns me that she doesn't even seem to think there IS a difference between how these sounds are pronounced in Irish and how they're pronounced in English.

Redwolf

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