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 Post subject: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Thu 18 Dec 2014 4:07 pm 
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I'm drawing another of my famous blanks here: Can you use the "not...but" construction with the copula ("ní...ach" rather than "níl...ach") if you want to say that "_____...is only _____?"

This is for something someone's asked for input on elsewhere, and I'm second-guessing myself, as usual!

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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Thu 18 Dec 2014 7:25 pm 
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Níl ionam ach seanfhear -> Ní [...?] mé ach seanfhear.

Hmm, don't think so.


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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2014 11:03 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
I'm drawing another of my famous blanks here: Can you use the "not...but" construction with the copula ("ní...ach" rather than "níl...ach") if you want to say that "_____...is only _____?"

This is for something someone's asked for input on elsewhere, and I'm second-guessing myself, as usual!

Redwolf

Ní amháin go bhfuil cois an éin briste ach tá a sciathán gortaithe freisin.


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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:20 pm 
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The specific sentence sought is:

"A dream without discipline is only a fantasy."

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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2014 1:57 pm 
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This is my attempt at it -

Brionglóid gan araíonacht níl ann ach samhlaíocht amhain (is that any good?)


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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2014 2:54 pm 
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I think the usual construction would be

Níl i/sa....ach.....

so to use franc's suggestion

Níl sa bhriongloid gan araíonacht ach samhlaíocht.


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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2014 3:19 pm 
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MacBoo wrote:
I think the usual construction would be

Níl i/sa....ach.....

so to use franc's suggestion

Níl sa bhriongloid gan araíonacht ach samhlaíocht.


Go raibh maith agaibh!

Does "brionglóid" need to be definite? Could it be "Níl i mbrionglóid gan araíonacht ach samhlaíocht"?

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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2014 2:16 am 
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Araíonacht? why not "smacht", which is more common in my opinion?

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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2014 3:28 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Araíonacht? why not "smacht", which is more common in my opinion?


"Smacht" was my leaning as well (thought I'd also thought of "gan srian")

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 Post subject: Re: "Ní...ach"
PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2014 11:58 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
Go raibh maith agaibh!

Does "brionglóid" need to be definite? Could it be "Níl i mbrionglóid gan araíonacht ach samhlaíocht"?

Redwolf


To be honest I don't know.
I can't think why either wouldn't do.
I would wait for more learned opinions on it.


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