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 Post subject: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2013 5:37 pm 
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Does anyone know the meaning of adeir? None of my dictionaries cover it and I can't find its definition online through Wiktionary.com or some other website. I found the word in a collection of short stories written in Irish. Perhaps it is a dialect thing or possibly some contraction of deir from abair with some particle before it? Anyhow, here is the actual sentence.

"Aie!" adeir sé go buartha. "Is trua an té atá gan mac."

I am assuming it means something along the lines of "replied", "asserted", "said", "admitted", etc. Sorry, still very new to Irish.


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Aedir
PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2013 6:32 pm 
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adeir sé – he said

This is all explained in the Déarfainnse é thread:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2589

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as I'm sure you know, the verb deirim was originally adeirim, just as táim was once atáim. Both verbs lost the "a" a while ago, and it appears only in the relative, where the fact that a relative "a" is followed by a verb that originally began with "a" has helped to preserve the "a", and explains why the t and the d are not lenited, as they were not originally the initial consonants coming after the relative.

For this reason, I like to put the "a" and the "deir" together: "Dia dhuit", adeir sé - just as atá is written as one word.

This is also why in some dialects it is: ní deirim - because the d was not initial, being "ní adeirim".


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Mar a dúirt patrickjwalsh, is é "adeir" an seana-leagan den bhriathar


Quoth the raven:
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Nevermore!


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2013 9:33 pm 
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adeir sé - is present tense (he says)
aduairt sé - is past tense

Is "an té atá gan mac" right?

I think "gan mhac" would be better, but apart from that, can you say "táim gan mhac"?

I think - but don't know and I would welcome correction - is trua an té ná fuil aon mhac aige - would be better.


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014 6:01 am 
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I see. Thanks. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014 6:04 am 
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Beats me, patrickjwalsh. I got this sentence out of a book of short stories written in the Irish language. LOL


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014 11:09 am 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
Is "an té atá gan mac" right?

I think "gan mhac" would be better, but apart from that, can you say "táim gan mhac"?

I think - but don't know and I would welcome correction - is trua an té ná fuil aon mhac aige - would be better.


Doesn't "gan mac" mean "childless"?, while "gan mhac" = "without a son"?

just asking...


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 Post subject: Re: The Meaning Of Adeir
PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014 3:05 pm 
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Would make sense...old lenition question again...

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