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PostPosted: Sat 23 Aug 2025 1:30 pm 
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Hi everyone!

I was listening to yesterday's episode of an saol ó dheas and heard "cad chuige" in usage by Helen Ní Shé.
I know for other parts of the country you can use "cad chuige" + "indirect relative clause" as a drop in replacement for "why" e.g. cad chuige a raibh sé ann?
And in Munster I know the idea is to use it for the sense "what purpose?".

However, I'm not entirely sure of the correct grammar given Helen's usage.
While talking about a boat, she says: "cad chuige ab ea an bád san?" = "what was the purpose of the boat?/what was the boat used for?".
This seems to use a copular clause which contrasts against the relative clause given above.

So is it the case that cad chuige is considered a noun and then we use a copular clause? e.g.
- cad chuige ab ea an bád san? = what was the purpose of the boat, what would the purpose of the boat be?
- cad chuige is ea an bád san? = what is the purpose of the boat?

Bonus question - how do we express usage/purpose in the future tense? (as I believe the. copular does not support this)


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Aug 2025 3:53 pm 
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It is normally "cad chuige an bád san?", or at least that's what I think, and then it is an expansion of that with "ab ea". It doesn't look grammatically incorrect. The present-tense copula is also future-tense, and if you look at Stair na Gaelainne, you will see that Dr Seán Ua Súilleabháin's article on Munster Irish argues that copula sentences are often loose temporally (cad é an duine? instead of cad ab é an duine?).


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2025 7:59 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
It is normally "cad chuige an bád san?", or at least that's what I think

Ok thanks for clarifying


djwebb2021 wrote:
and then it is an expansion of that with "ab ea". It doesn't look grammatically incorrect.

Oh yeah I don't think it's incorrect or anything, I'd have a huge amount of faith in Helen Ní Shé's Irish.
Do you understand the grammar behind the addition of the "ab ea"? I'm just not sure how it fits together - if it's a kind of set phrase, that's fine, I can commit it to memory.


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2025 10:16 pm 
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Well the same as: is duine é, duine is ea é.


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beepbopboop wrote:
Hi everyone!

I was listening to yesterday's episode of an saol ó dheas wordle game and heard "cad chuige" in usage by Helen Ní Shé.
I know for other parts of the country you can use "cad chuige" + "indirect relative clause" as a drop in replacement for "why" e.g. cad chuige a raibh sé ann?
And in Munster I know the idea is to use it for the sense "what purpose?".

However, I'm not entirely sure of the correct grammar given Helen's usage.
While talking about a boat, she says: "cad chuige ab ea an bád san?" = "what was the purpose of the boat?/what was the boat used for?".
This seems to use a copular clause which contrasts against the relative clause given above.

So is it the case that cad chuige is considered a noun and then we use a copular clause? e.g.
- cad chuige ab ea an bád san? = what was the purpose of the boat, what would the purpose of the boat be?
- cad chuige is ea an bád san? = what is the purpose of the boat?

Bonus question - how do we express usage/purpose in the future tense? (as I believe the. copular does not support this)

That’s a great question! I’ve mostly heard “cad chuige” as “why,” but your Munster examples with the copula make sense.


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