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 Post subject: Re: Interesting article
PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013 10:54 am 
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I don't listen to TV or Radio in Irish - I just read - and I try to read some Irish every day - and so the pronunciations can often escape me.


In fairness you will never get the ear for it if you never listen, theres plenty of Munster recordings online.

Irish is a language that even when becoming fluent that its still hard to understand native speakers unless they are listened to all the time.

Get your ear tuned by listening to the réidío! :mrgreen:


Yes, I should. Partly it's a lack of time to do so. I've been thinking of listening to Saol Ó Dheas regularly. I'm afraid TV programmes in other dialects are pretty useless for my purposes, but as you say there is Munster stuff available. Some editions of Cómhrá are helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting article
PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013 11:02 am 
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Benjamin wrote:
One thing theres words coined naturally in the Gaeltacht for stuff that the Coiste Téarmaíochta don't know about...


You mean stuff like where ispíns are put? :LOL:

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Yes, I should. Partly it's a lack of time to do so. I've been thinking of listening to Saol Ó Dheas regularly. I'm afraid TV programmes in other dialects are pretty useless for my purposes, but as you say there is Munster stuff available. Some editions of Cómhrá are helpful.

Saol Ó Dheas is very good for getting used to native speakers. It's mostly in Kerry Irish. There are programs from Músgraí and the Déise Gaeltacht once a week.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting article
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No children in Gaelscoileannaibh will ever need more than 1% of the made-up terms on focail.ie, as those words are words about things the WORK ON WHICH IS DONE EXCLUSIVELY IN ENGLISH IN IRELAND TODAY.
For those of us who use Irish everyday and who are trying to pass it on to the next generation, it is very important that there are not entire areas of life which do not have any vocabulary in Irish thus meaning that English is the only option for them. Growing up in Ireland, English is everywhere - that is not going to change. However, I do not want my children to think of Irish as being fine for the ordinary stuff, but English is the only option for the really 'important' stuff. I want them to feel that Irish is every bit as good as English (ideally better!); it just isn't as widely spoken.

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I don't listen to TV or Radio in Irish - I just read - and I try to read some Irish every day - and so the pronunciations can often escape me.
I had the wrong impression of your experience with Irish. Because of the way you have lectured people and occasionally scorned people's efforts with the language, I presumed you were a regular user of Irish - I mean the spoken language. I should have known better, because my personal experience is that fluent/native speakers are generally far more positive about the use of Irish and encourage people to use what they have. On the ground, it takes little to put someone off using their cúpla focal if they feel they are going to be ridiculed.

Out of curiosity, have you ever experienced a conversation in Irish with non-native speakers?

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Out of curiosity, have you ever experienced a conversation in Irish with non-native speakers?


No - and I would avoid attempting to converse in Irish with someone who only spoke the Caighdeán Oifigiúil. That's just my choice. Sin é mo rogha!

I try never to read the CO either - I put this point to Diarmuid Ó Sé, that his book on Corca Dhuíbhne Irish is all in the CO - and so unreadable for me - and he's apparently translating into English.


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Out of curiosity, have you ever experienced a conversation in Irish with non-native speakers?


No - and I would avoid attempting to converse in Irish with someone who only spoke the Caighdeán Oifigiúil. That's just my choice. Sin é mo rogha!
Have you ever held a conversation in Irish with native speakers?

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I try never to read the CO either - I put this point to Diarmuid Ó Sé, that his book on Corca Dhuíbhne Irish is all in the CO - and so unreadable for me - and he's apparently translating into English.

He is! That will be very useful for many people!

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
There are programs from Músgraí and the Déise Gaeltacht once a week.


What are the names of these shows? and times if you know them ?

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patrickjwalsh wrote:
I don't listen to TV or Radio in Irish - I just read - and I try to read some Irish every day - and so the pronunciations can often escape me.
I had the wrong impression of your experience with Irish. Because of the way you have lectured people and occasionally scorned people's efforts with the language, I presumed you were a regular user of Irish - I mean the spoken language. I should have known better, because my personal experience is that fluent/native speakers are generally far more positive about the use of Irish and encourage people to use what they have. On the ground, it takes little to put someone off using their cúpla focal if they feel they are going to be ridiculed.

Out of curiosity, have you ever experienced a conversation in Irish with non-native speakers?


Well said!

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting article
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
But I do try to curb my use of Béarlachas depending on who the listener is. Regrettably I do use many English words when there are perfectly good natural Irish ones, I know it's something I shouldn't do. Maybe that's laziness.
I don't think it's laziness, it's habit. It is a luxury that native speakers have - they can throw what they like into the mix without criticism from others. For learners, it is different, they have to prove themselves and so, if they throw English words into the mix, it is assumed that they don't know the Irish equivalent. :??:

Anyway, NOBODY could accuse you of laziness about the Irish language - your positive and encouraging contributions to this forum constantly prove otherwise. :wave:

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