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 Post subject: Re: Guí an phobail
PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015 12:17 am 
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I like ar son better than do here. That's what was used when I was asked to recite them for a function once.

Woopsie, yep ar son would be better. "ar son iad siúd...". What do you think of that (and the overall piece)?



I feel like it'd become ar a son siúd, but I do like that much better. Also, I feel like, given Irish's love for nouns instead of adjectives when it comes to addressing people, that there'd be a noun for 'the lonely', like as a group. Maybe aonraic, which is mentioned in Dinneen (and on Wombat's list on IGT)?

Ar son na seanaonraic agus na aonraic óg, ar son na toicithe ocracha 'is na mbochtán ocrach, ar son na heasláin* sa gcorp, san intreann agus sa spiorad. Ar son an laige ionainn uilig


However, Gumbi, I still like yours, if we do the ar a son. I just wanted to use Irish's propensity for nouns, and to look some up from Wombat's and Caoimhín's lists.

Please, someone correct any mistakes I made with the genitives/plurals/anything in the above.


I did think of making nouns of them, but figured it made part of the construction awkward.

Couple of suggestions for your piece. I think the second aonraic would have to be genitivised, I think it would be

Ar son na seanaonraic agus na n-aonraic óga. I think "óg" shouold be pluralised too. The word I use for "the poor" is na boicht, though bochtán may well be fine too.

Is intreann a dialectal spelling? (EDIT: LOL I just realised I wrote this myself, intinn it should be :P I was posting it on phone I think haha) Also, "ar son na laige" no?



I do agree on na n-aonraic, but since it's a weak plural (aonraca, I believe, so aonraic in the relatively unused genitive plural), I believe it will stay óg, instead of óga.. Also, yes, on "laige". Stupid me and genders!

Also, I honestly couldn't remember bocht! I feel kinda "der" now, but I like it better as I feel it's more common.

So:

Ar son na seanaonraic 'is na n-aonraic óg, ar son na toicithe ocracha 'is na mbocht ocrach, ar son na n-easlán sa gcorp, san intinn 'is sa spiorad. Ar son na laige ionainn uilig?

Thanks!


Agreed on the óg actually... I'm liking it now. Anyone else care to chime in for confirmations?


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 Post subject: Re: Guí an phobail
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 Post subject: Re: Guí an phobail
PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug 2015 1:28 am 
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When we do the prayers of the people at the Irish mass every year, the formula is "guimis ar son...srl."

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 Post subject: Re: Guí an phobail
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Redwolf wrote:
When we do the prayers of the people at the Irish mass every year, the formula is "guimis ar son...srl."

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Do you have a full mass in Irish every year?

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 Post subject: Re: Guí an phobail
PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug 2015 9:49 pm 
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Redwolf's suggestion has merit, it doesn't really change the meaning, but it adheres to the convention when prayers of the faithful are said in Irish:

Guímis ar son na seanaonraic 'is na n-aonraic óg, ar son na toicithe ocracha 'is na mbocht ocrach, ar son na n-easlán sa gcorp, san intinn 'is sa spiorad. Guímis ar son na laige ionainn uilig


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