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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2013 11:44 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
There's no harm in learning that "liguistic jargon" either, especially as you WILL encounter it in learning materials.
Well, you're right, of course; there are lots of learning materials that are made by people who are apparently incapable of explaining simple ideas in simple terms. :(


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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
There's no harm in learning that "liguistic jargon" either, especially as you WILL encounter it in learning materials.
Well, you're right, of course; there are lots of learning materials that are made by people who are apparently incapable of explaining simple ideas in simple terms. :(


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 12:32 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
:rolleyes:
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing about your last post. :rolleyes:


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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
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Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing about your last post. :rolleyes:


OK. Well, next time, I'll just say "well, yeah, I know that bhfuil doesn't look anything like tá or bí, but it is. So stick the little question thingy "an" on the front to make it a question, and don't ask why." Will that satisfy your desire for a "simple answer"?

In case you missed it, the whole point of my answer was that these are different forms of the SAME VERB. You may or may not like grammatical terminology, but it exists for a reason, and one of those reasons is to help clarify these differences. You don't want to use them? Fine...don't use them. But there's no need to be snarky about resources (and people) who do.

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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 12:56 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
OK. Well, next time, I'll just say "well, yeah, I know that bhfuil doesn't look anything like tá or bí, but it is. So stick the little question thingy "an" on the front to make it a question, and don't ask why." Will that satisfy your desire for a "simple answer"?
Is this your pathetic way of making fun of me? I'm not impressed.

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In case you missed it, the whole point of my answer was that these are different forms of the SAME VERB. You may or may not like grammatical terminology, but it exists for a reason, and one of those reasons is to help clarify these differences. You don't want to use them? Fine...don't use them. But there's no need to be snarky about resources (and people) who do.
"In case you missed it" the whole purpose of my post was to explain something simple in a simple way. I also encouraged him to focus on learning the language and not be intimidated by linguistic jargon. I'm sorry that you have a problem with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 1:01 am 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Redwolf wrote:
OK. Well, next time, I'll just say "well, yeah, I know that bhfuil doesn't look anything like tá or bí, but it is. So stick the little question thingy "an" on the front to make it a question, and don't ask why." Will that satisfy your desire for a "simple answer"?
Is this your pathetic way of making fun of me? I'm not impressed.

Redwolf wrote:
In case you missed it, the whole point of my answer was that these are different forms of the SAME VERB. You may or may not like grammatical terminology, but it exists for a reason, and one of those reasons is to help clarify these differences. You don't want to use them? Fine...don't use them. But there's no need to be snarky about resources (and people) who do.
"In case you missed it" the whole purpose of my post was to explain something simple in a simple way. I also encouraged him to focus on learning the language and not be intimidated by linguistic jargon. I'm sorry that you have a problem with that.


Jaysus...something sure put your knickers in a twist tonight!

This was an incredibly rude comeback to a simple statement (bolding mine):

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Well, you're right, of course; there are lots of learning materials that are made by people who are apparently incapable of explaining simple ideas in simple terms


You give it to me, you're going to get it right back.

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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 1:21 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
Jaysus...something sure put your knickers in a twist tonight!

This was an incredibly rude comeback to a simple statement (bolding mine):
So, you think there's nothing rude about saying, "Jaysus...something sure put your knickers in a twist tonight!" I'd be embarrassed to talk to anybody that way.

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Well, you're right, of course; there are lots of learning materials that are made by people who are apparently incapable of explaining simple ideas in simple terms



You give it to me, you're going to get it right back.

Redwolf
Are YOU a person who has made learning materials that do not explain simple ideas in simple terms? Why do you think that that post refers to you personally?


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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 1:45 am 
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Okay, you two. Stop bickering please. A variety of approaches to explaining things is welcome here.

Some people relate to the jargon, others don't, but there is no need for anyone to be snarky about how other people try to explain something.

The fact is that , like common verbs in many languages, has become an assemblage of several verb parts: "to be"; , which originally meant "to stand"; and fuil, which is an old dependent form. So whether it is one verb or several verbs depends on how you look at it. ;)

The negative of is níl, which comes from ní fhuil. The fh is silent and the two i sounds on either side have elided together to form one word.

For the difference between and bíonn, consider the following two sentences:

Tá sé fuar i nDoire anocht. "It is cold in Derry tonight." (An actual occurrence)

Bíonn sé fuar i nDoire sa gheimhreadh. "It is cold in Derry in the winter." (A tendency)

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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
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I see what you mean, Breandán – I think I flew off the handle a bit. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Tá v. Bí
PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013 4:11 am 
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Bí, bíonn, tá srl -is that what they call a lexeme?

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