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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012 7:56 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
The following are from the West Connemara Gaeltacht:

Tabhair suas do chás "to give up (the ghost). "
Thug mé mo chás suas ar maidin inniu I gave up completely (on him) this morning.
Tá a chás tugthaí suas aige "he has given up" (of terminally ill man).
Bhí curtha suas lena bhás aige. "He had given up" "He was resigned to die"


That is common. I don't know if it was originally Béarlachas. But it is not recently acquired usage.

I gave up cigerettes - Is a different meaning. I'd say "Stop mé ag caitheamh toitíní".
Thug mé suas toitíní - in that case would diffinitely be Béarlachas.

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'Téacs mé'

No never. "Téascáil mé" yes.
Adding "áil" is commonly added to English words in Conamara.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012 9:03 pm 
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No never. "Téascáil mé" yes.


why not théacsáil?

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Adding "áil" is commonly added to English words in Conamara.


in Gaoth Dobhair too, I heard d'enjoyáil mé, jumpáil, fótacopiáil, facsáil, fónáil. :mrgreen:

Btw, I also think it's dangerous for Irish to calque too many idioms from English, to replace Irish idioms. Because it is there that the beauty and originality of the Irish language is. It's much more important than words (there always was loanwords in Irish as well as in all languages).
If Irish were full of loanwords but kept its idioms, it would be Irish anyway (English isn't French although 2/3 of its words are French or Latin, but English is full of typical English expressions),
but if Irish were full of new Celtic words and that all its idioms were English translated word for word, to me it wouldn't be Irish anymore... rather English in disguise.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012 9:13 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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why not théacsáil?


"Téascáil mé" - is a command/request in this case. Text me.

Ar théacsáil tú í?

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012 9:32 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
but if Irish were full of new Celtic words and that all its idioms were English translated word for word, to me it wouldn't be Irish anymore... rather English in disguise.
Aontaím le sin.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012 10:25 pm 
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"Téascáil mé" - is a command/request in this case. Text me.

Ar théacsáil tú í?


tuigim, nuair a chonaic mé "téacsáil mé", shíl mé go rabh sé san aimsir chaite, sin an tuighe nár thuig mé cad chuighe nach rabh séimhiú air... grma

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012 7:00 pm 
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in Gaoth Dobhair too, I heard d'enjoyáil mé, jumpáil, fótacopiáil, facsáil, fónáil


Facsáil, fonáil fótacopáil are normal to put into Béarlachas.

I don't think they would say d'enjoyáil mé in Conamara, but bhí an-taidhm am!


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I rather use "Béarlachas" to talk about an English idiom or phrase translated word for word into Irish; I use the term "loanword" to talk about an English word that has been borrowed by Irish (and Gaelicised most of the time, with an Irish ending, plural etc).

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012 9:04 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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No never. "Téascáil mé" yes.


why not théacsáil?

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Adding "áil" is commonly added to English words in Conamara.


in Gaoth Dobhair too, I heard d'enjoyáil mé, jumpáil, fótacopiáil, facsáil, fónáil. :mrgreen:

Btw, I also think it's dangerous for Irish to calque too many idioms from English, to replace Irish idioms. Because it is there that the beauty and originality of the Irish language is. It's much more important than words (there always was loanwords in Irish as well as in all languages).
If Irish were full of loanwords but kept its idioms, it would be Irish anyway (English isn't French although 2/3 of its words are French or Latin, but English is full of typical English expressions),
but if Irish were full of new Celtic words and that all its idioms were English translated word for word, to me it wouldn't be Irish anymore... rather English in disguise.



It's a funny thing altogether. I remember hearing what I think they called Hiberno English - where the speakers spoke Gaeilg through the medium of English :) You don't hear that anymore - well you don't hear it very much anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012 9:36 pm 
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I've just looked it up on Focal.ie - under 'give' and it's there - 'I give up!' = géillim!


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