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 Post subject: Saoirse's suggestion
PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012 11:23 pm 
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Cén fáth gur chuaigh an sicín trasna an bhóthair? Chun dul go dtí an dtaobh eile. Is eile an freagra níos fearr? Cheartú mo earráidi gramadaí, le do thoil.


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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012 11:38 pm 
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Cén fáth gur chuaigh an sicín trasna an bhóthair? Chun dul go dtí an dtaobh eile. Is eile an freagra níos fearr? Cheartú mo earráidi gramadaí, le do thoil.


Cén fáth a ndeachaigh an sicín trasna an bhóthair? Chun dul go dtí an taobh eile.
I don't understand the next sentence, did you mean "is there a better answer" ? If that's what you meant, it would be "an bhfuil freagra níos fearr ann?".
Ceartaígí m'earráidí gramadaí, le bhur dtoil.

In Ulster Irish:
Cad chuighe a dteachaigh an sicín treasna 'n bhealaigh mhóir? Le ghabháil (chu)n na taoibhe eile.
An bhfuil freagar níos fearr ann?
Ceartaigí mo mheancógaí gramadaí, le mur dtoil.

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012 11:39 pm 
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I would have thought, 'cén fáth go ndeachaigh...'?

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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It would be a blend of Munster and Standard Irish, I guess. Using "go/gur" instead of "a" (indirect relative) is rather a Munster thing.
"Cén fáth gur chuaigh" might be correct in certain parts of Munster, but they rather say "cad ina thaobh" to say "why" there.

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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A Shaoirse, fáth is actually a noun so unless using that Munster dialect a relative particle is required:

Cén fáth a ... "What is the reason that ..."

go is used with verbs:

Sílim go ...

Both are "that" in English but you need to distinguish them in Irish.

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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I don't know what I have - school Irish, whatever that is; I presume standard. Heading to Gaoth Dobhair for a week in the summer so I might be able to Ulsterise kenailan's chicken on my return!

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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It seemed like a nice straightforward joke to start with and look where it has ended up. I'll never eat chicken again, but I might just run them over.... :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012 1:52 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
A Shaoirse, fáth is actually a noun so unless using that Munster dialect a relative particle is required:

Cén fáth a ... "What is the reason that ..."

go is used with verbs:

Sílim go ...

Both are "that" in English but you need to distinguish them in Irish.



What??!! So sentences like 'Cén fáth go bhfuil tú déanach' should really be 'Cén fáth a bhfuil tú déanach'?
I'm in shock! Is this in standard and Connaught?

What part of the verb do you call that, 'a ndeachaigh'? You use it instead of 'Cén fáth a chuaigh', because 'téigh' is irregular?


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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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What??!! So sentences like 'Cén fáth go bhfuil tú déanach' should really be 'Cén fáth a bhfuil tú déanach'?
I'm in shock! Is this in standard and Connaught?


I think using "a" there is everywhere except Munster.
(Ulster: Cad chuighe a bhfuil tú mall).

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What part of the verb do you call that, 'a ndeachaigh'? You use it instead of 'Cén fáth a chuaigh', because 'téigh' is irregular?


Yes.
"deachaigh" is the dependent form of the verb "téigh" in the past. The dependent form is the form you use after certain verbal particles (ní, nach, go, etc). Only certain irregular verbs have a distinctive dependent form.

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 Post subject: Re: Saoirse's suggestion
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See how much people have learnt because from a single chicken crossing the road. Ken :good: .

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