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PostPosted: Sat 05 Dec 2020 2:22 am 
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How would I say "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best."

My best guess is

Ach amháin Béarla, is í Gaeilge an teanga go labhraím is fearr

I'm fairly certain of my attempt up to "teanga" but after that, I'm just taking an educated guess.
Any corrections or suggestions?


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Dec 2020 9:53 pm 
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How would I say "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best."

My best guess is

Ach amháin Béarla, is í Gaeilge an teanga go labhraím is fearr

I'm fairly certain of my attempt up to "teanga" but after that, I'm just taking an educated guess.
Any corrections or suggestions?


What you need is a relative clause, a direct relative clause because teanga is its object, so: "a" instead of "go".
An adverbial superlative ("best") comes first.

Is í an Ghaeilge an teanga is fearr a labhraím.


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2020 12:21 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
Vitaee wrote:
How would I say "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best."

My best guess is

Ach amháin Béarla, is í Gaeilge an teanga go labhraím is fearr

I'm fairly certain of my attempt up to "teanga" but after that, I'm just taking an educated guess.
Any corrections or suggestions?


What you need is a relative clause, a direct relative clause because teanga is its object, so: "a" instead of "go".
An adverbial superlative ("best") comes first.

Is í an Ghaeilge an teanga is fearr a labhraím.


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2020 2:20 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
Vitaee wrote:
How would I say "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best."

My best guess is

Ach amháin Béarla, is í Gaeilge an teanga go labhraím is fearr

I'm fairly certain of my attempt up to "teanga" but after that, I'm just taking an educated guess.
Any corrections or suggestions?


What you need is a relative clause, a direct relative clause because teanga is its object, so: "a" instead of "go".
An adverbial superlative ("best") comes first.

Is í an Ghaeilge an teanga is fearr a labhraím.


So, is it correct to say that "a" is used for a direct relative clause and "go" for an indirect relative clause?
Also, just to stroke my ego a bit, would you consider this an intermediate level question or still a beginner question?

Although I initially thought it should be "Gaeilge" without an article, I can see why it would be "an Ghaeilge" with the article.
Any guidelines or suggestions or tips on figuring out when Gaeilge (and similar words) does an doesn't take the article?

:GRMA:


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2020 10:27 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
Vitaee wrote:
How would I say "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best."

My best guess is

Ach amháin Béarla, is í Gaeilge an teanga go labhraím is fearr

I'm fairly certain of my attempt up to "teanga" but after that, I'm just taking an educated guess.
Any corrections or suggestions?


What you need is a relative clause, a direct relative clause because teanga is its object, so: "a" instead of "go".
An adverbial superlative ("best") comes first.

Is í an Ghaeilge an teanga is fearr a labhraím.


So, is it correct to say that "a" is used for a direct relative clause and "go" for an indirect relative clause?


No, not in Standard, Connacht or Ulster.
"A" is used for both, direct and indirect relatives. ("ar" in past tense indirect relative)

"Go" is used for indirect relative clauses only in Munster.

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Also, just to stroke my ego a bit, would you consider this an intermediate level question or still a beginner question?


:??: :bolt:
I don't know.
The problem is probably that "that" is used for both noun clauses and relative clauses in English.
("I know that ..." vs. "the language that ...")
Both "that"s are different.
In Irish the first is "go", the second "a".

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Although I initially thought it should be "Gaeilge" without an article, I can see why it would be "an Ghaeilge" with the article.
Any guidelines or suggestions or tips on figuring out when Gaeilge (and similar words) does an doesn't take the article?


Except for phrases as "(speaking) in Irish", "translate into Irish", "I can speak Irish" and perhaps a few others - it is always "an Ghaeilge".


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2020 10:32 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:

So, is it correct to say that "a" is used for a direct relative clause and "go" for an indirect relative clause?


Yes, but go is used only in Munster and is considered non-standard. In the C.O. it's a/arfor the ind. rel. too.

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Also, just to stroke my ego a bit, would you consider this an intermediate level question or still a beginner question?


Somewhere between the two.?

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Although I initially thought it should be "Gaeilge" without an article, I can see why it would be "an Ghaeilge" with the article.
Any guidelines or suggestions or tips on figuring out when Gaeilge (and similar words) does an doesn't take the article?

:GRMA:


With the article when referring to the language in a general sense - much the same as in French and Spanish, I suppose.
By the way, I don't think ach amháin is suitable for "except for" in this context. I'd say seachas an Bhéarla or diomaite den Bhéarla


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2020 12:10 am 
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So, to summarize, "Except for English, Irish is the language I speak best" would be

Seachas an Béarla, is í an Ghaeilge an teanga is fearr a labhraím.

Do I have that right?

Also, Labhras, thanks for pointing that it's usually "An Ghaeilge" more often than not. That thought never occurred to me before.

GRMA all

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2020 12:48 am 
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Thig leat "taobh amuigh don Bhéarla" a rá fosta.

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