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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2014 8:44 pm 
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Another good game for children. Snap i nGaeilge. This may well be available in An Cultúrlann.

http://www.usborne.com/catalogue/book/1 ... irish.aspx

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2014 8:47 pm 
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And my last tip of the day is to get books from the library, it's a free source of books. If your own Irish is patchy, you can always get books with cds so that the book is read for you.

Actual last suggestion, cartoons on TG4. Young kids will watch cartoons in any language so why not give then SpongeBob etc. in Irish?

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2014 9:04 pm 
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Couldn't resist posting this when I found it. This is the first thing I am recommending that I haven't actually used myself, but looks right up your street. http://www.siopagaeilge.ie/products/Pos ... t16-63.htm

Logging off now before you think I suffer from some obsessive compulsive disorder! :panic:

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2014 9:25 pm 
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steenson86 wrote:
My oldest is 4 and I have already got her counting in English to 20 and she can normally get to 10 in Irish but I try to use Irish when talking to her as much as possible. I am still learning myself so I thought while we are learning together we can get a basis set down for my youngest who is 18 months. Aoife is too young now to learn counting but the more exposure she gets from now the better it will be. I just do not want to over complicate or confuse them.


Don't underestimate them. Giving them slightly tougher material will motivate them.
I was excited when my oldest brother bought me books (encyclopedia/geography type) with "adult" small print that I wasn't yet able to read and it was a challenge for me to learn.
Ok that was a long time ago and I suppose kids don't get excited about books anymore.

This one would be great for your 4 year old -

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_i ... 2AWM_ldXTo

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr 2014 11:50 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
Bábóg baby is a cute Irish speaking teddy which would make a lovely gift for your younger child. Not perfect sound, but a lovely idea.

http://www.babogbaby.com/index.php/buynow/

I would buy it in a shop rather than pay the mad postage and packing. An Cultúrlann on the Falls Road certainly stocked it the last time I was there. I think it may be fairly widely available in toy shops - probably depends where you are for that one though!

It might be better to send people to the test page, rather than the "Checkout window". ;)

http://www.babogbaby.com/index.php/interactive/

For those to whom it matters, this product is in Urban Irish, so you have anglicised non-native pronunciations, such as saying teac /t´æk/ (chack) using an incorrect k sound, instead of teach /t´æ(:)x/ (chakh) with a ch, or pronouncing sé with a diphthong /sei/, instead of a long e /se:/.

Cartoons on tg4 also tend to be in Urban Irish. :razz:

The CDs and DVDs franc 91 mentioned above have a better representation of native Gaeltacht Irish.

For a good products for parents aiming for native Gaeltacht pronunciation, I recommend Gaschaint:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1636&p=14424

(This is similar to the BunGhaeilge series franc91 mentioned above. The recordings are excellent. The only thing missing, perhaps, is an index, but it is divided into everyday situations.)

If in doubt about which dialect to use, the Connemara dialect is regarded as the closest to a median of the native dialects, and it is closer to the old Leinster or "Dublin" Irish than any anglicised "reconstructions". So, if your aim is to carry on the tradition of the language, it is better to choose Connemara Irish rather than Urban Irish.


Small children need to be exposed to the sounds more than the writing. There is no real need to introduce them formally to reading or writing in any language until about seven years of age. (That is not to say that you should in any way discourage them if they do take an interest, but most children respond much better to playful learning until about that age.)

It is more important to read to them, to talk to them, and to interact with them as much as possible. Nothing accelerates early learning like "doing something with Mummy" (and to a lesser extent "with Daddy"). Children can associate better with the language in a warm atmosphere of cuddles and bonding, than in a cold forced regimented atmosphere such as that of a school classroom.

If you are not confident of your own pronunciation, I would recommend getting some picture books with CDs like those from Futafata or [url=www.litríocht.com]Litríocht[/url] and look at the picture books together with the kids while you listen along to the CD. Having the younger one even just sleeping nearby will allow the baby to hear the sounds together with a sense of security.

Personally, I read to my kids (4 and 6) each night. Their favorites at this age are a bilingual picture dictionary and Buntús Cainte (they like the cute cartoons in this one). We also have some other bilingual animal books from Futafata.

Older kids like to relate new knowledge to what they already know. Although translations are not as good as books written natively, I find bilingual books are good for my girls because they can learn both English and Irish at the same time. (Their first language is Japanese.)

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 7:45 am 
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And there's Mantra Lingua and An tSnáthaid Mhór and the CD Suantraí le Pádraigín Ní Uachacháin, Damhsa na gCoiníní on the CD Lasairfhíona srl - (the way this thread is going, perhaps it might be an idea to create a children's corner)

Dreoilín, Dreoilín, Rí na nÉan is now available on CD (with the book of course) from
Comhar Naíonraí na Gaeltachta
Cuileán
An Cheathrú Rua
Co. Gaillimhe

(just round the corner from chez Bríd Mhór, I wouldn't be surprised)


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 8:48 am 
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franc 91 wrote:
And there's Mantra Lingua and An tSnáthaid Mhór and the CD Suantraí le Pádraigín Ní Uachacháin, Damhsa na gCoiníní on the CD Lasairfhíona srl - (the way this thread is going, perhaps it might be an idea to create a children's corner)

Dreoilín, Dreoilín, Rí na nÉan is now available on CD (with the book of course) from
Comhar Naíonraí na Gaeltachta
Cuileán
An Cheathrú Rua
Co. Gaillimhe



(just round the corner from chez Bríd Mhór, I wouldn't be surprised)



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They had the naíonra in Cuileán. But I didn't know the organisation was based there or that they sold books online. The actual naíonra has moved to the industrial estate in Tismeán now(about a mile away). So they probably moved their office too. But that doesn't matter the postman will find them anyhow.

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 11:16 am 
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Breandán wrote:
For a good products for parents aiming for native Gaeltacht pronunciation, I recommend Gaschaint:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1636&p=14424
:yes: This is brilliant and deals with all dialects.

An Cultúrlann will very likely favour Ulster Irish products, which I presume would be your choice. They will point you in the right direction about what is popular for young children. You are lucky it is near you. It is a lovely facility to have nearby.

Pesonally, I wouldn't go with the bilingual books idea as I think it is better to completely separate the languages for youg children. That way, they very quickly learn which language is which.

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Saoirse wrote:
Pesonally, I wouldn't go with the bilingual books idea as I think it is better to completely separate the languages for youg children. That way, they very quickly learn which language is which.

Strangely enough, it is only adults who really have difficulty "sorting out languages" in their heads.

Kids are absolutely amazing at their ability to code switch yet know exactly which words belong to which language. Mine switch between Japanese, English, French and Irish, but they rarely get them "mixed up". They even pronounce the loanwords according to the particular language they are speaking at the time.

They are also aware of which combinations of languages a particular listener understands or is good at, and will generally use words in two or more languages in combination only if they know that particular listener understands all of those languages.

The main problem with translated works is that the translated language often isn't natural. And in the case of the bilingual dictionary we are reading at the moment, there are a couple of errors that I've found and had to correct.

But even if there are errors, kids naturally evaluate and cross-reference sources and weed out the errors in any language they learn. For instance, they know to trust their mother's Japanese over mine and my English over hers.

That's one reason that I believe it is still possible for children with parents who speak non-native Irish to eventually surpass their parents and go on to speak native-level Irish - provided that they are exposed to native Gaeltacht Irish and made aware of it.

However, while it is _possible_ for this to happen it is certainly not guaranteed to happen. If they are only ever exposed to Urban Irish (or otherwise taught to look down on Gaeltacht Irish) then Urban Irish is all they will ever learn how to speak.

That is why I say speak to them in whatever Irish you have got, in order to interact with and engage them, but at the same time try to expose them to as much native Gaeltacht Irish as you can through other media and experiences, in order to broaden their horizons.

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Breandán wrote:
For a good products for parents aiming for native Gaeltacht pronunciation, I recommend Gaschaint:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1636&p=14424

I bought this a couple months ago in anticipation of my daughter's birth and it really is great. I wish I had bought it years ago for myself.

But is 6 weeks old too early to start reading this to her (or listening to the audio with her)?

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