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 Post subject: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 2:03 pm 
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I have been playing around with writing some sentences using the verb 'iarr' which again to my mind is more of a concept word rather than something that is directly translated to English. In its 'wanting' or 'desiring' aspect though I find it a little confusing as to when to use it in favour of other Irish. Some may be the wrong way to say some things but as usual this is how I find out where I am going wrong! Some of it may not be good phrasing but hopefully technically correct? I will write a few sentences below for you to drag me through the coals over :^+:

Bhí sé i gconnaí ag cleachtadh agus ag iarraidh feabhas a chur a chuid scileanna.
He was always practicing and trying to improve his skills.

Thug mé iarracht geailge a fhoghlaim ach bhí sé ró dheachair
I made and attempt to learn Irish but it was too difficult.

Diarr mo dhinnéar inné mar bhí mé ag tnaite. Mar sin, rith mé abhaile go tapa agus dith mé ar nós na gaoithe é.
I wanted my dinner yesterday because I was starving. So I ran home fast and ate it it like the wind.

Bá mhaith liom an ceolchoirm a dul de aoinne seo chugainn.
I want to go to the concert on next friday.

Now this is the bit that puzzles me. The final sentence has the same kind of theme as the others. I suspect this is very bad Irish and should really be

'Táim ag iarraidh an ceolchoirm a dul de haoine seo chugainn' but I know if I said bá mhaith liom deoich bainne coipthe (I want a milk shake) that would be correct. I am starting to wonder when I should be using 'Bá mhaith liom' and when to be using 'iarr' can someone clarify the difference between these concepts?

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 3:27 pm 
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The meaning of 'iarr' is at base 'to ask' http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Text=iarr which thanks to meaning 'seek' as well and the progressive ('ag iarradh') might have been extended ('ag iarraidh') to mean 'to try' or 'have a go at'

http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Te ... dh&Lang=ga

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 3:30 pm 
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To make an attempt requires "ar".

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Thug mé iarracht geailge a fhoghlaim ach bhí sé ró dheachair
I made and attempt to learn Irish but it was too difficult.


This should be:

Do thugas iarracht ar an nGaelainn a dh'fhoghlaim, ach bhí sé ródhian.

[Gaelainn is feminine, but I think sé could refer to the whole process of learning it, and not to the language itself here.]


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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 8:57 pm 
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Quote:
Bá mhaith liom an ceolchoirm a dul de aoinne seo chugainn.


should be:
Ba mhaith liom dul chuig an gceolchoirm Dé hAoine seo chugainn

(Donegal: Ba mhaith liom ghabháil chuigen cheolchoirm Dé hAoine seo chugainn)

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 9:02 pm 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
To make an attempt requires "ar".

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Thug mé iarracht geailge a fhoghlaim ach bhí sé ró dheachair
I made and attempt to learn Irish but it was too difficult.


This should be:

Do thugas iarracht ar an nGaelainn a dh'fhoghlaim, ach bhí sé ródhian.

[Gaelainn is feminine, but I think sé could refer to the whole process of learning it, and not to the language itself here.]


I think "bhí sé ródhian" is better with "dom" after it? Bhí sé ródhian dom. It was too hard FOR ME.


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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013 9:23 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Quote:
Bá mhaith liom an ceolchoirm a dul de aoinne seo chugainn.


should be:
Ba mhaith liom dul chuig an gceolchoirm Dé hAoine seo chugainn

(Donegal: Ba mhaith liom ghabháil chuigen cheolchoirm Dé hAoine seo chugainn)


I had to think about this one but your sentence does make more sense to me now than mine :LOL:

I think what I wrote was 'I want the concert to go' or some crazy messed up version of that :LOL:

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
To make an attempt requires "ar".

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Thug mé iarracht geailge a fhoghlaim ach bhí sé ró dheachair
I made and attempt to learn Irish but it was too difficult.


This should be:

Do thugas iarracht ar an nGaelainn a dh'fhoghlaim, ach bhí sé ródhian.


Hi,

The 'ar' after 'iarraidh' isn't really necessary here, at least not in Donegal.

Thug sé iarraidh an Ghaeilg a dh'fhoghlaim.

Slán,

Domhnall

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 8:38 am 
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AnBraonach wrote:
patrickjwalsh wrote:
To make an attempt requires "ar".

Quote:
Thug mé iarracht geailge a fhoghlaim ach bhí sé ró dheachair
I made and attempt to learn Irish but it was too difficult.


This should be:

Do thugas iarracht ar an nGaelainn a dh'fhoghlaim, ach bhí sé ródhian.


Hi,

The 'ar' after 'iarraidh' isn't really necessary here, at least not in Donegal.

Thug sé iarraidh an Ghaeilg a dh'fhoghlaim.

Slán,

Domhnall



is 'ró dheacair' or 'ró chrúa' not accepted Irish in this situation because I have been told by others that these are both acceptable?

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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 12:58 pm 
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AnBraonach wrote:
Hi,

The 'ar' after 'iarraidh' isn't really necessary here, at least not in Donegal.

Thug sé iarraidh an Ghaeilg a dh'fhoghlaim.

Slán,

Domhnall


Well my version had iarracht. Thug sé iarracht ar - which as far as I know needs "ar" in all parts of the country. The version you have given doesn't have iarracht in, but iarraidh. I have to confess I haven't seen thug sé iarraidh, with or without "ar", but if you say it is a Donegal form, then that would explain that.


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 Post subject: Re: The verb 'iarr'
PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 12:59 pm 
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Luke Ó Scolaidhe wrote:
is 'ró dheacair' or 'ró chrúa' not accepted Irish in this situation because I have been told by others that these are both acceptable?


I like ródhian dom in that context, but yes ródheochair dom would be right too. Róchruaidh sounds like "really severe" to me, but I do have to confess I'm not too sure of the boundaries of the meanings of these words.


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