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 Post subject: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 10:58 am 
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Dear guys (and gals)
I learn irish at our university and we got this homework. We're supposed to describe our day with the present tense. Now my problem is, that I have no idea how to say "In the morning at 8 o' Clock I get up and do stuff" or so. As I can't remember learning it.
How do I use time words like "in the morning" or "after that" or "in the evening" and so on.
I don't know if this is the right thread to ask this questions.

Dears Rike


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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 11:53 am 
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LapaSaiza wrote:
"In the morning at 8 o' Clock I get up and do stuff"


Sa mhaidin ag a hocht a chlog éiríonn mé agus déanann rudaí eile


This is with the habitual aspect (happens again and again during this general time). Like English, the specific now is usually handled thru the progressive (rising/ag éirigh)

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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 12:40 pm 
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Jay Bee wrote:
Sa mhaidin ag a hocht a chlog éiríonn mé agus déanann rudaí eile


Thank you very much.

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mo lá


Sa mhaidin ag a hocht a chlog éiríonn mé, ithim bricfeasta agus ina dhiaidh sin cuireann mé éadaí ar orm. Ansin téim do ollscoil nó fhoglaim ag baile. Tar éis lóin léann mé an leabhar ach buaileann mé le cairde. Téim do luíochán ag meán oíche.


That doesn't sound right, but it is the best I could do. I have absolutly no idea how to use "later" or "afterwards" or some words to connect the different sentences to a text. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 1:14 pm 
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Sa mhaidin, ag a hocht a chlog, éirím, ithim bricfeasta agus i ndiaidh sin, cuirim mo chuid éadaí orm. Ansin, téim don ollscoil nó foghlaim ag baile. Tar éis lóin, léann mé leabhair nó buailim le mo chairde. Téim a chodladh ag meán oíche.

The style of it is a very time dependent, linear narrative. Not much need for fancy linking phrases, so i ndiaidh, tréis, ansin etc are fine here. What sort of links would you like to add?

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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 3:59 pm 
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I don't know if policy has ever been set for this forum, but in the old place our policy regarding homework requests was that we would help the student puzzle it out, but we would not DO the work for the student. In other words, if we got a translation request that was either explicitly or apparently for homework, we would NOT offer a translation, but rather ask the student to post an attempt first, after which we would work with him or her to determine what might be wrong with the attempt.

If we do students' work for them, they're not learning.

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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 4:29 pm 
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I don't know about "mo lá", which looks like a literal translation from English. What else could go there? I don't know. Lá dem shaol?

I don't like "sa mhaidin" either - which I have never seen. Or "ag a hocht" - I believe that some native speakers used "ag" - which appears to be a direct translation from English - but most used "ar". I don't like "buailim le mo cháirde" - as this refers in Irish to bumping into your friends (see meaning I3 under "meet" in de Bhaldraithe - "to go to meet someone" - dul i gcoinne etc - there is no suggestion that bualadh le is right for that).

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Éirím as an leabaidh ar a hocht a chlog ar maidin, ithim mo bhricfeasta agus 'na dhiadh san cuirim mo chuid éadaí orm. Ansan téim go dtí an ollscoil nú deinim staidéar sa bhaile. Tar éis mo lóin do chaitheamh, léim leabhar nú téim ag triall ar mo cháirde. Téim a chodladh ar an meán oíche.


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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 4:44 pm 
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or tar éis dom an lón do chaitheamh


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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 5:00 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
If we do students' work for them, they're not learning.


I agree  but the OP said they hadn't much Irish


Patrick's is nicer. Ar maidin is more native, yes. Using 'ar' with time feels better is right.

I suppose that such framing elements like 'ar maidin' since they are liable to move are clear candidates to get 'Béarachas-ed' before the main syntax ever gets touched.

I've Caighdeán-ized a bit since this would be for school (please don't be angry!):

Éirím as an leaba ar a hocht a chlog ar maidin, ithim mo bhricfeasta agus i ndiaidh sin cuirim mo chuid éadaí orm. Ansin téim go dtí an ollscoil nó déanaim staidéar sa bhaile. Tar éis (dom) mo lóin a chaitheamh, léim leabhar nó téim ag triall ar mo cháirde. Téim a chodladh ar an meán oíche.

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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 5:20 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
I don't know if policy has ever been set for this forum, but in the old place our policy regarding homework requests was that we would help the student puzzle it out, but we would not DO the work for the student. In other words, if we got a translation request that was either explicitly or apparently for homework, we would NOT offer a translation, but rather ask the student to post an attempt first, after which we would work with him or her to determine what might be wrong with the attempt.

If we do students' work for them, they're not learning.

Redwolf


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patrickjwalsh wrote:
I don't know about "mo lá", which looks like a literal translation from English.

I don't know a better way to say it. Especially for a beginner. We should try to keep it simple.

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I don't like "sa mhaidin"

Me neither. But I didn't want to say anything in case it was a strange Liatrom dialect. :LOL:
I don't know why is "sa tráthnóna" and "sa n-oíche" correct when "sa maidin" isn't.

patrickjwalsh wrote:
Or "ag a hocht" - I believe that some native speakers used "ag" - which appears to be a direct translation from English - but most used "ar".

I use "ag a hocht".

In Irish we usually put the verb first in a sentence, it keeps it simpler for learners too. So I suggest -
Éiríonn mé ag a hocht a chlog ar maidin.

Opps - corrected. AR MAIDIN - no H
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 Post subject: Re: Describing my day
PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013 5:29 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I didn't want to say anything in case it was a strange Liatrom dialect. :LOL:


Well our mouths are put to such strange uses it's no wonder our speech would be strange!

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