Déarfainn suas agus anuas le duine ar bith é :
Ní dhéarfaidh mé.... Ní dhéarfainnse i gConamara amháin é.... etc.
...agus mh'anam ach nach ndúradh minic go leor liom féin é... !!

ach de réir na gramadaí... ní shéimhítear an briathar 'abair' i ndiaidh 'ní' !!

Tagairtí:
Réchúrsa Gramadaí - lth 54
Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí - lth 272 - Mír 567 (b)
http://www.breis.focloir.ie - breathnaigh 'abair' faoin ngramadach...

Ach an cheist mhór atá agamsa ná:
an marcálfaí 'mícheart' é i scrúdú Gaeilge ar nós na hardteistiméireachta... dá mbreacfaí 'ní dhéarfaidh' nó 'ní dhéarfadh' in ionad 'ní déarfaidh' agus 'ní déarfadh' síos ar an bhfreagarleabhar... ??

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Bí cinnte de go nglacfaidh triúr le gach aistriúchán a thabharfar.
Be sure to get three in agreement with a translation given.

Cibe ar bith is fiú é,

http://borel.slu.edu/cgi-bin/gr.cgi

1: Ní dhéarfaidh mé.... Ní dhéarfainn. Ní déarfaidh mé.... Ní déarfainn
Foirm neamhchaighdeánach de ‘déarfaidh’.

1: Ní dhéarfaidh mé.... Ní dhéarfainn. Ní déarfaidh mé.... Ní déarfainn
Focal anaithnid ach bunaithe ar ‘déarfainn’ is dócha.

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In Learning Irish, Mícheál Ó Siadhail says:


Déarfainnse héin nach bhfuil mórán difríocht le cloisteáil idir ní dhéarfainn agus ní 'éarfainn - agus tá tú ceart go leor i gConamara.

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WARNING: Intermediate speaker - await further opinions, corrections and adjustments before acting on my advice.
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Well, a Bhreandáin,

as I'm sure you know, the verb deirim was originally adeirim, just as táim was once atáim. Both verbs lost the "a" a while ago, and it appears only in the relative, where the fact that a relative "a" is followed by a verb that originally began with "a" has helped to preserve the "a", and explains why the t and the d are not lenited, as they were not originally the initial consonants coming after the relative.

For this reason, I like to put the "a" and the "deir" together: "Dia dhuit", adeir sé - just as atá is written as one word.

This is also why in some dialects it is: ní deirim - because the d was not initial, being "ní adeirim".

Mar a dúirt patrickjwalsh, is é "adeir" an seana-leagan den bhriathar:
Ní adéarfainnse.

Toisc ná raibh sé i dtosach an fhocail, ní séimhaíodh an "d". Bíodh is ná fuil an
"a" ann an lá atá inniu, cloíonn cuid desna canúintí leis an riail sin fós.

Níl aon chur isteach agam ar cé 'cu ceart nó mícheart atá séimhiú an bhriathar "deir" i ndiaidh "ní" i scrúduithe Gaelainne!

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Thanks, guys.

That does explain why the d wasn't lenited historically and still isn't in some dialects.

However, the fact is that it _is_ lenited in some tenses in at least one major dialect. (I've also confirmed ní dhéar- in West Connemara.)

Since ní dhéarfainn is in wide use in one of the major dialects, if people were being marked wrong for it, then I would definitely see that as a problem with the marking system.

It shouldn't be compulsory to lenite the d, of course, but it should be acceptable not to lenite it if that is what people do in native speech, which it clearly is.

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WARNING: Intermediate speaker - await further opinions, corrections and adjustments before acting on my advice.
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Would West Connemara be Ioras Aithneach or Ceantar na n-Oileán?

I agree, it's a bit silly that established dialect features could be marked incorrect.

The confusing thing is that some dialect features are considered "wrong", but others aren't on official tests*. I've never been able to detect the reasoning behind what is considered "okay" on official tests (it isn't exactly the standard) that's why I wouldn't even hazard a guess on whether this is considered right or wrong on tests.

*Some Munster synthetic forms are okay, others aren't. I know this from talking to young native speakers about the Leaving Cert.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Iorras Aithneach

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WARNING: Intermediate speaker - await further opinions, corrections and adjustments before acting on my advice.
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Breandán, what about texts where forms that exist somewhere are randomly used?

I think a text that consistently used forms of a certain dialect could expect to be sympathetically received, but a manuscript with Munster forms, Connemara forms including ní dhéarfainn, and other forms side by side could simply be interpreted as someone who was confused between all the available forms.

In Australia, British English is the standard. At university, however, we were allowed to write using either British or American spelling. The only condition was that we had to be consistent about it - you couldn't switch back and forth between the two. I think the same principle could apply to Irish.

But failing that, I think an all-inclusive view would do less damage to the dialect forms than a strict only-CO-is-correct line.

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WARNING: Intermediate speaker - await further opinions, corrections and adjustments before acting on my advice.
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).