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PostPosted: Tue 19 Nov 2013 11:28 pm 
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Hi there,

I tried posting this at IGT (where I was once a frequent poster), but no luck. I was wondering where the old IGT guard had gone and it appears many of them have come here.

I have a question for those more familiar with the way Irish is actually spoken in daily life around Ireland.

I've noticed that sometimes people use analytic verb forms (ex. tá mé, deir mé, ól mé, etc...) all the time, while others use synthetic forms (táim, ólaim, etc...).

So what's the deal? Are there rules governing this usage? Is it a dialectical thing? What's the preference of most fluent speakers (native or 2nd language)?

Many thanks to all.


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I've noticed that sometimes people use analytic verb forms (ex. tá mé, deir mé, ól mé, etc...) all the time, while others use synthetic forms (táim, ólaim, etc...).

So what's the deal? Are there rules governing this usage? Is it a dialectical thing? What's the preference of most fluent speakers (native or 2nd language)?


it's mainly a dialectal thing.
Certain synthetic forms are only used in Munster ; others exist everywhere or almost ; certain exist only in certain places.
Actually the dialect that uses the biggest number and the most often these synthetic forms is Munster Irish.
In Ulster, people don't use many of them, only a few.

Táim is Munster
ólaim exists everywhere (but in certain Ulster dialects you can also hear ólann mé)
I don't think "ól mé" exists :)

In the present tense, the synthetic form with -(a)im is usual everywhere (except in the verb "tá": "táim" is Munster, Connachta and Ulster have "tá mé").

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Nov 2013 2:34 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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I've noticed that sometimes people use analytic verb forms (ex. tá mé, deir mé, ól mé, etc...) all the time, while others use synthetic forms (táim, ólaim, etc...).

So what's the deal? Are there rules governing this usage? Is it a dialectical thing? What's the preference of most fluent speakers (native or 2nd language)?


it's mainly a dialectal thing.
Certain synthetic forms are only used in Munster ; others exist everywhere or almost ; certain exist only in certain places.
Actually the dialect that uses the biggest number and the most often these synthetic forms is Munster Irish.
In Ulster, people don't use many of them, only a few.

Táim is Munster
ólaim exists everywhere (but in certain Ulster dialects you can also hear ólann mé)
I don't think "ól mé" exists :)

In the present tense, the synthetic form with -(a)im is usual everywhere (except in the verb "tá": "táim" is Munster, Connachta and Ulster have "tá mé").


I see. So the synthetic forms are mandatory for all verbs except for « tá » in dialects which prefer the analytic forms instead for that precise verb.

Thanks very much.


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov 2013 7:15 pm 
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I see. So the synthetic forms are mandatory for all verbs except for « tá » in dialects which prefer the analytic forms instead for that precise verb.


the synthetic forms are mandatory in the "mé" person in the present tense in almost all dialects, except for the form"táim" which is only usual in Munster.

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