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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 12:15 am 
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Gumbi wrote:
Go dtreoirí right? Also, Munster would make it tríd an dturas right?


:facepalm: , typo! Go raibh maith agat Gumbi Ceartódsa é láithreach!

yep, tríd an dturas or trés an dturas in Munster. Though tríd an is more common now.

Go dtreoirí or tradionally go dtreoirígh in Munster, with "gh" traditionally pronounced when proceeded by a noun i.e Go dtreoirígh Dia

but the "gh" báite when proceeded by a pronoun i.e Go dtreoirí' sibh and just like the future and past tense today:

Chuaigh Seán go dtí an cluiche inniuimh

but

Chuai' sé go dtí an cluiche inniuimh


Cian

C(h)ífidh Nóra an cat amáireach.

but

Ní Chífi'/Ní fheicfi' sí an cat amáireach

Cian

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 12:30 am 
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GRMA, ana shuimiúl.

Typo beag eile; ba cheart spéíre a bheith spéire


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 12:50 am 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
A shinseara

That is a much better word.

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
go mbeannaí...

The praying tense is probably better too.

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 1:35 am 
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Gumbi wrote:
GRMA, ana shuimiúl.

Typo beag eile; ba cheart spéíre a bheith spéire


:bash: GRMA!

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 6:33 am 
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Thank you everyone for all your help. It is greatly appreciated. :D I had forgotten how complex Irish is especially with all the tenses.
To Cionnfhaolach, The main character is going through to the other side.(spectral plane) Via astral-projection. That is why she is asking the gods to protect her soul on her journey and safely back. In the second sentence she is piggy backing a friend with her and must protect both their souls.( If this helps with the translation all the better) I suppose in stead of the ancients( as in the old gods that no one prays to anymore) I could use the old ones.

Thanks you everyone again. :D


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 8:21 am 
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Saoirse sorry I havent responded to your message. I can't read it as pm is blocked to me. I think I have a few more posts I have to write before I can get in :D


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 6:38 pm 
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Ní Chífi'/Ní fheicfi' sí an cat amáireach


are you sure you can use (t)chífidh after a verbal particle like ní? (I've never seen it so far)

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013 7:20 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Ní Chífi'/Ní fheicfi' sí an cat amáireach


are you sure you can use (t)chífidh after a verbal particle like ní? (I've never seen it so far)


Not so much in Cork (Where it Cífidh and not chífidh), but you may hear it rarely as a "natural mistake" in Waterford and Kerry. I doubt it would be written, unless it was taken down by the folklore commission. Most Munster speakers would recognise it as incorrect. But in free flowing speech they may not notice. But, way more often than not the distinction between the dependent and independent forms are made.

Wikipedia gives: "Úsáidtear na foirmeacha neamhspleácha de na briathra fiú nuair a bheifeá ag súil leis na foirmeacha spleácha: go ngeibheann in áit go bhfaigheann, ní chonac nó níor chonac in áit ní fhaca mé, go gcíonn sé in áit go bhfeiceann sé." (http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeilge_na_Mumhan).

But this statement is far stronger than the reality, it occurs with a few verbs i.e Níor dheineas (though, níor dhearnas, may sometimes be heard, especially in Cork) and Níor chuas (Ní dheachaigh mé, I have never heard Ní dheachaigh mé from a Munster speaker nor have I ever read it in Munster literature). I have never heard níor chonac instead of ní fheaca but I have definitely heard go gcíonn sé over go bhfeiceann sé (not so much with ní chífidh and ní fheicfidh) quite a bit and sometimes ní gheobhaidh sé over ní bhfaighfidh sé.

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Buí, some of the variation in the replies you have been given is due to dialect (and in Cian's case sub-dialect).
You haven't specified a preferred dialect for your request, but it might help narrow things down if you did.

Just for reference, Bríd, Caoimhín and I have given (somewhat standardised) Connemara versions. Cian speaks a lovely dialect from southeast Munster.

For advanced learners of Irish, it is great to see the dialectal variations and to read explanations for why certain native speakers choose certain idioms or phrasing, but it _can_ pull the translation in disparate directions.

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Breandán wrote:
Buí, some of the variation in the replies you have been given is due to dialect (and in Cian's case sub-dialect).
You haven't specified a preferred dialect for your request, but it might help narrow things down if you did.

Just for reference, Bríd, Caoimhín and I have given (somewhat standardised) Connemara versions. Cian speaks a lovely dialect from southeast Munster.

For advanced learners of Irish, it is great to see the dialectal variations and to read explanations for why certain native speakers choose certain idioms or phrasing, but it _can_ pull the translation in disparate directions.


Buí just for clarification, the original translations I have given are all in standard Irish (the ones where Gumbi corrected the stupid typos I made), except for "leis" in the second translation, that should be "freisin". If you would prefer a dialectal variation then the sentences will have to be altered a bit.

Cian

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