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PostPosted: Mon 08 Apr 2013 9:44 pm 
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How do you pronounce the word abhras?

Is it pronounced exactly like the word amhras, maybe? Or does the "bh" sound like a "v" in this word?


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PostPosted: Mon 08 Apr 2013 10:16 pm 
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They're pronounced the same.

I'll try and do recording of the chapters tomorrow, but I'm not a Gaeltacht speaker so
don't take what I sound like as necessarily correct.

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Just to say the sentence Dheineadh sí an olann do chíoradh needs to be explained a little better. However
I'm still thinking about it myself.



I thought it was the same as carding. But this video shows the difference. Although the end result is the same as carding. ("cardáil" locally).

http://youtu.be/Ae6aZwswrWs?t=2m13s

My father was a weaver. Although that work was done before my time I often heard about it at home. My mother was great at knitting and crocheting.

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Apr 2013 1:44 am 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
They're pronounced the same.

I'll try and do recording of the chapters tomorrow, but I'm not a Gaeltacht speaker so
don't take what I sound like as necessarily correct.
Thanks for the help!

That's all of the questions I've got for Part 3
Now comes the hard part: trying to learn everything by Wednesday!


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Apr 2013 8:50 pm 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
How do you pronounce the word abhras?

Is it pronounced exactly like the word amhras, maybe? Or does the "bh" sound like a "v" in this word?
An Lon Dubh wrote:
They're pronounced the same.

I'll try and do recording of the chapters tomorrow, but I'm not a Gaeltacht speaker so
don't take what I sound like as necessarily correct.

I think the difference is that the a in amhras is a kind of nasally "ow" sound, spoken through the nose as if you've got a slight cold. Abhras is similar, but there is no nasal quality to the "ow."

But a lot of dialects have lost the nasal vowels, so words like abhras and amhras often sound the same nowadays.

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Mick wrote:
I think the difference is that the a in amhras is a kind of nasally "ow" sound, spoken through the nose as if you've got a slight cold. Abhras is similar, but there is no nasal quality to the "ow."

:yes: Mh and bh are also distinguished this way in parts of Connemara (Carna? but not an Cheathrú Rua). Although amhras is aimhreas there, other words do show this distinction. :yes:

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Mick wrote:
I think the difference is that the a in amhras is a kind of nasally "ow" sound, spoken through the nose as if you've got a slight cold. Abhras is similar, but there is no nasal quality to the "ow."

But a lot of dialects have lost the nasal vowels, so words like abhras and amhras often sound the same nowadays.

Of course you are correct, traditionally one had a nasal "ow" sound and the other didn't.

However nowadays, as you said, the distinction is quite rare. I haven't heard it in Cork. Brian Ó Cuív said (in 1944) that it was feature of previous generations. It was already "half-gone" in the generation born in the 1870s. However it's still around in Kerry, I heard the nasal vowels from a few people in Kerry, near Dún Chaoin, not the rest of the peninsula though.

I'll have the new notes up tomorrow, hopefully not too late. I'll also update the old ones with Bríd's translation.

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
I'll have the new notes up tomorrow, hopefully not too late.
Do you ever sleep? :!:

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Saoirse wrote:
An Lon Dubh wrote:
I'll have the new notes up tomorrow, hopefully not too late.
Do you ever sleep? :!:

No! I am powered directly by my Fíor-Ghael spirit and need no sleep!

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Saoirse wrote:
An Lon Dubh wrote:
I'll have the new notes up tomorrow, hopefully not too late.
Do you ever sleep? :!:

No! I am powered directly by my Fíor-Ghael spirit and need no sleep!
I'll have some of what he's having!! 8-)

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