I think this is Dave (aka "Deghebh") wearing a false face.

Redwolf

An as na Balcáin é? Do bhíos den tuairim gur Poncán atá ann.

There seems to be a similarity in writing style and bulheadedness, Redwolf. It was my first thought

I'm sure it's not your intention but this kind of speculation is unfair, rude, and smacks of bullying. If you have suspicians that someone is posting under various names, then surely you could contact an administrator and let them deal with it. This is generally a pleasant place to be and I think it should be like that for all participants.

Domhnall

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Thank you AnBraonach. I don't see how i could have provoked these kind of responses unless asking questions and discussing things is against the linguistic religion these guys are trying to defend.

I came here because i was hoping that i can get help in analyzing some words and expressions for which you can not find any or you can find conflicting etymologies and roots. I was hoping that presence of native Gaelic speakers with knowledge of old and middle Irish would help.

I am originally from Serbia, but have been living in Dublin for last 20 years. I am married to a Cork woman who hates Gaelic (she blames the Irish school system and Peg) and who can't understand why i waste my days reading Irish dictionaries and old manuscripts. My son is learning Irish in school, and good luck to him. I myself have no particular interest in learning contemporary Irish language. Didn't need it so far, and will need it even less in the future, considering how many Irish people speak it and how much they care to preserve it. Speaking it in public in Dublin might cause you go get abused and have things like "go back to wherever you came from..." shouted at you, as happened to some Irish girls few years ago on O'Connell street when they were speaking Gaelic to each other (they posted it on http://www.overheardindublin.com/)

After all the studying i have done, i believe that Irish is a composite language, hiding barber, Slavic and Germanic nuggets in its Gaelic bedrock. I am even convinced that up until the early medieval time, there were few languages spoken in Ireland of which only Gaelic now survives as a language of the victors in the last taking of Ireland by Ui Neill. There are archaeological "hints" (i don't want to call them evidence yet) that a substantial Germanic and even Balto Slavic population might have lived in Ireland well before the 9th century and the first mention of the Vikings. But if the archaeology is still inconclusive, the language is clearly showing traces of these now assimilated people. And genetics is confirming this too. We now know that Cruithneaigh were I2 people and not R1b like most of today's Irish, clear sign of the south Baltic population residing in Scotland and north east of Ireland in early medieval time.

Anyway, that is enough about me.

Now to answer some of the Domhnaillín's questions:



Yes it does.



What would that prove or disprove?

but here is welsh example

Welsh

Preposition

ger

next to.

Irish had completely different influences from both Welsh and Gaulish. Irish had their Fomorians and their linguistic and cultural influence.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians

Again the medieval irish were right, as Fomori is actually Pomori, and Fomorian is actually Pomorian - which in Slavic languages means coastal people, people who live by the sea, sea pirates...South Baltic pirates were famous during late iron age and all the way to the "Viking" time when they manned most of the invasion fleet that created Danelaw. And againg today we think we know more than the contemporaries and are inventing demonic mumbo jumbo...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerania



This is not in contradiction to what i said, it just confirms it. How did people in the early "Celtic" central Europe enclose their towns where they lived close together? With wooden palisades made from sharpened wooden poles. And these wooden poles were called Ga, Gar, Ger, and they were tall, ard, and they were on top of hills, they were elevated, again ard, and they were guarded by people with spears (sharpened sticks) called ga, gar, ger...

So does the verb ǵʰer mean to enclose or to surround with gers, gars, gas, spears, sharpened wooden poles?



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gar




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period_spear

So...



Maybe you should do more of this yourself...As Dr. Seuss once said: You may like it, yes you may. Try it and you may i say.

Hi,

Well you're making some quite outlandish claims so you should expect robust responses! And I certainly don't think it's a case of defending "linguistic religion" - the responses so far have been scholarly and sensible. I must admit that I have very little interest in this thread so won't be much help to you.

My previous message really concerned the integrity of another poster.

Slán,

Domhnall

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AnBraonach

Thank you for seeing the bullying and pointing at it. I didn't think that you supported my opinion ind that is ok.



I have no problem if someone says: "what you are proposing is not true because (proof one two three...) or it could be true i am not sure, or i believe it is not possible because (example one two three)". This is what i was hoping for to get here. That would be a civilized scientific discussion.
But what i am getting is: "How dare you have your theories...This is not in any book i have read and therefore it is rubbish...This is not official and therefore it is rubbish...I know this is impossible and i don't need to give any reason why i think so...". This is the way people defend religion.



So just different, foreign and unfamiliar. Not bad...

That is actually the response you're getting. The fact that you can't tell the difference between this and "How dare you have your theories" is a major part of why this discussion is going nowhere.

I point to scholarship which disproves your assertions, and you simply disregard it. You're accusing others of precisely what you yourself are guilty of.

I am sorry, but i don't see how did you disprove anything i said. If you read my reply i believe that what you have quoted, and which i knew about by the way, does not contradict the possibility that verb to guard could be from gar do and i still believe that this also could be a possibility:



To guard by placing a man with a spear near what you are guarding and to guard by surrounding with high wall of spears. Both terms have lowest roots in gaelic, or celtic languages....


If you want to disprove this, can you please let me know how did they get to the ǵʰer root and can you prove that it is not in fact derived from ger (gar, ga) spear, sharpened pole?

I'm not surprised, given that you apparently don't understand standards of proof or how they apply within the context of the scientific method.


For me to "disprove" something, you first need to prove it. You haven't come close.

How Indo-Europeanists arrived at the root *ǵʰer is through a process known as the comparative method. It's the cornerstone of historical linguistics as it's been practiced for over two centuries, so if you have any pretensions at all of doing etymological research, you need to familiarise yourself with it. But, as I've said before, that's outside of the scope of this forum. I'm happy to answer your questions on specific points, but the burden of educating yourself in the fundamentals of the field is yours alone.