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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2013 8:29 pm 
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Deghebh wrote:
Hebrew, and Arabic have also Indo roots.

Again: source?

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However, The Holy Land fell under Egyptian hegemony for many years, so that the Indo roots of Hebrew and Arabic were heavily diluted with north African.

The language of Egypt during this time (the New Kingdom) was Late Egyptian. This is also an Afro-Asiatic language, just like Hebrew and Arabic.

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Incidentally, Hebrew, and Arab are the same word. One is written in hebrew, the other in Arabic, but even the 'alphabets' are very similar, and BOTH 'alphabets' are DEVOID of vowels.

Incidentally, no they're not. The Arabic for "Hebrew" is عبري (ʕibrī). The Hebrew for "Arabic" is עֲרָבִית (ʕaravit). If you think those are the "same word", you need glasses.

Neither alphabet "lacks vowel". Both employ the practice of indicating long vowels with a corresponding semivowel or stop (viz. the ي in عبري or the י in עֲרָבִית, both of which indicate /iː/). And both use vowel points to indicate short vowels, although these are generally not written except in sacred works or works meant for young children and learners.

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Further, for someone familiar with Irish to differentiate analytically between a long 'a' and a long 'o', is pushing it. These two sounds are nearly identical.

Who taught you phonetics? One low, central, and unrounded. The other is mid, back, and rounded. They're as alike as /u/ and /ə/.

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Breton and Gaoluinn were intercomprehensible up to 500AD.

"Citation please."

There is a tradition that the Romans reported that their Gaulish interpreters had no difficulty in communicating with the Irish Celts. Neither did they consider them any other than Gaulish.

Citation, please. Moreover, Breton does not descend from Gaulish anyway but from Brythonic.

Deghebh wrote:
The traditions of the Roman invaders indicates from their silence, that there were not interpreters in the Godelic dialects, and the Brithonic interpreters sufficed.

It's enough that we're having to debate pseudoscience in this thread; could we please at least avoid basic logical fallacies?


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2013 9:38 pm 
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It is pointless following the venom above.
Someone is terrified that there may be truth in uncomfortable legends.
I notice that Queen Scota is quietly ignored.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2013 10:12 pm 
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Deghebh wrote:
It is pointless following the venom above.

"Venom"? You're arguing that lack of evidence constitutes proof. It doesn't constitute a personal attack to suggest that's a blunder you should've been educated out of in grammar school.

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I notice that Queen Scota is quietly ignored.

There are so many unaddressed problems with your argument before we even get to her. Historical trivia hardly matters of the linguistic claims are without any support.


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2013 10:19 pm 
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There is a tradition that the Romans reported that their Gaulish interpreters had no difficulty in communicating with the Irish Celts. Neither did they consider them any other than Gaulish.


Citation... the Romans didn't do much in Ireland as far as I know, unlike in Gaul. Never heard of what you say there, in what text have you read that?
We know that once Gaulish was very similar to the ancestor of the Brythonic languages, and of course, long ago, Breton, Cornish and Welsh were almost the same language, because Old Welsh, Old Breton and Old Cornish are very close one to another.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar 2013 12:09 am 
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Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
Deghebh wrote:
It is pointless following the venom above.

"Venom"? You're arguing that lack of evidence constitutes proof. It doesn't constitute a personal attack to suggest that's a blunder you should've been educated out of in grammar school.

Deghebh wrote:
I notice that Queen Scota is quietly ignored.

There are so many unaddressed problems with your argument before we even get to her. Historical trivia hardly matters of the linguistic claims are without any support.

By its very nature, the study of linguistics is an attempt to interpret pre-history.
It is not an exact science.
I was derided for suggesting that 'Arab' and 'Hebrew' were essentially the same word.
What is undeniable is that both words share the same root: RB.
Hebrew is by definition, derived from the name of the patriarch Heber.
Arab, is somewhat confused, but the extract following, indicates, that the word is related to 'wanderer':
The root of the word has many meanings in Semitic languages including "west/sunset," "desert," "mingle," "merchant," "raven" and are "comprehensible" with all of these having varying degrees of relevance to the emergence of the name. It is also possible that some forms were metathetical from ʿ-B-R "moving around" (Arabic ʿ-B-R "traverse"), and hence, it is alleged, "nomadic."
This actually is the same as the meaning of the name EBER, and 'The Wanderer' is the name applied to themselve by Jews.
Hence I was not talking poo,
What I asserted was essentially accurate.
Now: Reset, and start over.

This is not science, it is an art.
I asserted possibilities from coincidences.
Science can neither prove, nor disprove. It can set probabilities.
The tale of Queen Scota is not without foundation.
The Irish Red hair comes from North Africa, as does the propensity to Coeliac disease.
There was an influx of North African blood, possibly via Spain, about the time of Tutankhamun.
That is backed up by genetic evidence.
It does not date it to the nearest week. It is Art, not Science. The science is very fuzzy with these numbers.
The art is interpreting coincidences.
Some coincidences are coincidences, and no more.
I never said my suggestions were claims to veracity, just that the coincideces might be more than coincidence.

Actually, 'ná', or 'nach' is as likely come from German 'nicht', or Latin 'non'.
We know Latin is infected with Arabic.
The middle East is the crossroads of Afro-asiattic and Indo-European.
Gallacia borders up to Syria.
Gallilee was thought to be also a Celtic nation, but a Jew rebuked me for suggesting it, telling me the name meant not Celt, (Gaul), but Foreigner, (Gall), completely missing the fact that he was using the Celtic word for foreigner!

As for the precise definition of vowel sounds in Irish, or any other language, they all drift over time.
In Ireland, they drift over space as well, so you precise definition might work in Galway, but in Derry or Kerry, it would be quite different.

Now maybe lá, or ló are ancestors of ná, and maybe they are not.

I claimed no more, only the possibility.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar 2013 12:31 am 
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I glanced at what you just posted, Dheghebh, but I didn't see a single scholarly reference or citation in the whole mishegoss. So I'm assuming you don't actually want to have any sort of serious discussion of the topic. Anybody can speculate wildly about "possibilities". But that's not how human knowledge advances.


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar 2013 6:10 am 
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Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
I glanced at what you just posted, Dheghebh, but I didn't see a single scholarly reference or citation in the whole mishegoss. So I'm assuming you don't actually want to have any sort of serious discussion of the topic. Anybody can speculate wildly about "possibilities". But that's not how human knowledge advances.


Tá cnaipe "is maith liom" de dhíth ar an fóram seo! Aontaím leat!

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar 2013 9:28 am 
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Redwolf wrote:
Domhnaillín Breac wrote:
I glanced at what you just posted, Dheghebh, but I didn't see a single scholarly reference or citation in the whole mishegoss. So I'm assuming you don't actually want to have any sort of serious discussion of the topic. Anybody can speculate wildly about "possibilities". But that's not how human knowledge advances.


Tá cnaipe "is maith liom" de dhíth ar an fóram seo! Aontaím leat!

Redwolf


If you like what you like, and refuse to contemplate what you do not, then your neck is as red as your name.

Actually science advances by coincidences being built into hypotheses.
If the hypothesis can be DISPROVED, then it must be rejected, and a new hypothesis built on the coincidences.

Frankly, I doubt the benefit of responding to this pompous tripe.

When I produce valid evidence that I have been right against the pompous theoretician, the point is quietly set aside, and the vitriol poured from a different angle.
Goebels would be proud of you.
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/research/impac ... eland.html
http://irisharchaeology.ie/2011/11/roma ... h-ireland/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people
http://yhvh.name/?w=1307
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

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A Dheghebh, dar liomsa go bhfuil dea-chaint fhileamhanta agat ar a laghad agus ní haon droch-rud é sin.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar 2013 12:57 pm 
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Looks like the sources you quote there don't say the same things as you (Scota, Arabs/Hebrew, the name of Galilea -cf http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilée_(région) ) etc...

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