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PostPosted: Tue 29 Mar 2016 12:43 pm 
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dia daoibh gach duine.

Is "deartháir s'agamsa" the same as saying "mo deartháir"?

Does it work the same in normal sentences? Eg: "Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh..." ?

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 Post subject: Re: mo phost
PostPosted: Tue 29 Mar 2016 4:38 pm 
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Cliathach wrote:
dia daoibh gach duine.

Is "deartháir s'agamsa" the same as saying "mo deartháir"?

Does it work the same in normal sentences? Eg: "Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh..." ?

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 Post subject: Re: mo phost
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Cliathach wrote:
dia daoibh gach duine.

Is "deartháir s'agamsa" the same as saying "mo deartháir"?

Does it work the same in normal sentences? Eg: "Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh..." ?

GRMA


Yes, in Ulster Irish.


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 Post subject: Re: mo phost
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Bhí an deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "My (one) brother was reading" (bhí mo dheartháir ag léamh...)
Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "A brother of mine was reading" (bhí deartháir de mo chuid/liom ag léamh...)
.i. the article necessary in your case.


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 Post subject: Re: mo phost
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Embarien wrote:
Bhí an deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "My (one) brother was reading" (bhí mo dheartháir ag léamh...)
Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "A brother of mine was reading" (bhí deartháir de mo chuid/liom ag léamh...)
.i. the article necessary in your case.


No, I don't think so.

s' = seo. The demonstrative adjective requires the article, i.e. an deartháir seo,
deartháir seo without the article (or another marker of definiteness) is impossibe.
But s'agamsa is colloquially often used without the article. But it still means definiteness, lit. "this brother that I have" or simply "my brother".
"s'agamsa" became equivalent to "my".

It cannot be (and isn't afaik) used like "deartháir liom/dom/de mo chuid" which are true indefinite phrases.


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 Post subject: Re: mo phost
PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2016 10:45 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Embarien wrote:
Bhí an deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "My (one) brother was reading" (bhí mo dheartháir ag léamh...)
Bhí deartháir s'agamsa ag léamh... means "A brother of mine was reading" (bhí deartháir de mo chuid/liom ag léamh...)
.i. the article necessary in your case.


No, I don't think so.

s' = seo. The demonstrative adjective requires the article, i.e. an deartháir seo,
deartháir seo without the article (or another marker of definiteness) is impossibe.
But s'agamsa is colloquially often used without the article. But it still means definiteness, lit. "this brother that I have" or simply "my brother".
"s'agamsa" became equivalent to "my".

It cannot be (and isn't afaik) used like "deartháir liom/dom/de mo chuid" which are true indefinite
phrases.


While I can't speak for the other dialects, what Labhrás says is certainly correct for Ulster Irish.


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