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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jan 2016 9:50 pm 
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Just a quick question on grammer, does a seimhú go in after Mhic. The context is Clann Mhic C(h)oitir (To go on a sign outside our house). Also are there other ways to say this? I've come across things like Tigh an Choitirigh and Barr an Choitrigh when researching the name. Are they related or does Coitirigh mean something else? Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jan 2016 11:02 pm 
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Croithlí Mac Daithí wrote:
Just a quick question on grammer, does a seimhú go in after Mhic.

Yes, but ...

Croithlí Mac Daithí wrote:
The context is Clann Mhic C(h)oitir (To go on a sign outside our house).


,,, but not here:
No lenition of c or g after Mhic.
Clann Mhic Coitir


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jan 2016 5:54 pm 
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GRMA Labhrás. Wouldn't be Irish without exceptions.


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jan 2016 11:40 am 
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Don't think of it as an exception -- it's more of a side-effect of pronunciation. Lenition is the "weakening" of a consonant, and originally occurred as a sort of lazy/easy pronunciation. But CCH isn't easy. For one thing, you've already made the C sound, so you're no saving any effort by saying CH. And CCH would be difficult to say in and of itself anyway.

The are various pronunciation-led rules in English that we don't tend to think of as exceptions : an vs a, or in- becoming im- (intractable vs impossible), and the sound im- appearing in words like "input".

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NiallBeag wrote:
Don't think of it as an exception -- it's more of a side-effect of pronunciation. Lenition is the "weakening" of a consonant, and originally occurred as a sort of lazy/easy pronunciation. But CCH isn't easy. For one thing, you've already made the C sound, so you're no saving any effort by saying CH. And CCH would be difficult to say in and of itself anyway.

The are various pronunciation-led rules in English that we don't tend to think of as exceptions : an vs a, or in- becoming im- (intractable vs impossible), and the sound im- appearing in words like "input".

An-fíor sin é.. My boss once asked me to proof-read a memo he wrote. In it was the phrase (in relevant part) “perform a LIA.” I said “Dude, that’s wrong. It needs to be “an LIA.” No, no no, “a” goes before consonants, “an” goes before vowels. I tried to explain that pronunciation sometimes supersedes spelling. He disagreed. Fine, boss, “h” is a consonant, do you say “a honor”? (He changed the memo. :D )

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jan 2016 6:23 pm 
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Aislingeach wrote:
I tried to explain that pronunciation sometimes supersedes spelling.
That's right. Just like "a" can precede a word that starts with a vowel, e.g., "a unicorn".


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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
Aislingeach wrote:
I tried to explain that pronunciation sometimes supersedes spelling.
That's right. Just like "a" can precede a word that starts with a vowel, e.g., "a unicorn".

Exactly! Mind if I add that to me arsenal? And people say Irish is hard....

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That definitely belongs in your arsenal, a chara! :D


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