Am still fine tuning GM Liam O'Maonlai's Course 2 transcript, the word within / / sounds like what is shown - any suggestions for the missing word much appreciated, there are many more to come when time allows:

Sentence 30: Well, then I learnt the trade, saw how things were done.

Bhuel, an sin d'fhoghlaim me an chead / hnook / mar a rinne rudai.

Go raibh maith agat

JulieA

Probably "chonaic" which means "I saw". Often pronounced somewhat like hnook, more like"hunik" so I can see why hnook is there.

Wait for more input. As a side note, for anyone else, shouldn't "rinne" be in the past? As in, rinneadh or deineadh?

Gumbi, go raibh mille maith agat, at least my hearing is not too off the mark, just my understanding leaves a lot to learn. Will look forward to any other comments.
Sin iontach,

JulieA

Question, does GM stand for Gaoluinn (Gaeilge) na Mumhan here?

Yep, this is probably chonac, pronounced ch'noc (1st person singular, foirm tháite/ synthetic form*, from Féic/ C(h)í) i.e. I saw.)

*Foirm tháite i.e. when the person doing the action is connected to the end of the word, instead of being separate i.e. táim (synthetic), tá mé (analytical form); Bhíos (synthetic), Bhí mé (analytical form). See: http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/verbend.htm (scroll down to the preterite) and add dúrt (I saw) to the list of irregular endings in that description.

The synthetic form is still very prevalent in Munster Irish.

Bhuel, an sin d'fhoghlaim me an chead / hnook / mar a rinne rudai.

Alternatively, in Munster Irish;

Bhuel ansin dh'fhoghlaimíos an ceard, (do) chonac mar a dhein/ dein(eadh)/ dheineag* rudaí

An sin is always written as ansin, even in the Old Irish period.

Dh'fhoghlaimíos= the d' when preceding f or vowels can often become softened (i.e. guttural) in Munster i.e. dh'fhoghlaimíos, dh'áiríos etc...
The ending -íos is the usual first person synthetic ending. The "D' " comes form the particle "do", which comes from Old Irish perfect past particle ro- i.e. ro-boí he had been. When the perfect past fell out of the language some time in the middle Irish period, the ro- stuck around and became do- and that's why we have lenition in the past tense in Irish. In standard Irish, do- is only used with vowels and f i.e. D'fhán, D'éag etc... However in Munster Irish Do- is still used with consonants i.e. do bhíos, do chonac; I was, I saw respectfully.

An ceard = the skill/ the trade; alternatively you can say an cheird the skill/ trade which is the feminine form

An Cead = the permission

dhein is the past form of the verb déan in Munster Irish; rinne is extremely uncommon.

*dheineag is the autonomous form of déan in the past tense in the Irish of Ring. Its unusual as it is lenited in the past autonomous and has an -ag termination/ ending rather than a -adh. I think Oileán Chléire has a -aibh ending for the autonomous past?

Cian

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Go raibh maith agat Cian, Is brea liom an comhra seo! Liam O'Maonlai's course is everyday Irish parrot fashion learning but gives little spring board to jump into deeper Munster waters. Thank you for your analysis - it is helpful. What happens when you have no idea whether the conversation is between men or women - do the words default to male or female?

JulieA

I'm not sure I understand the question, as in, how do you know if Chonac is male or female is it?

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Yeah, -aibh along the southern coast of Cork in general at the end of the 19th century.

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The dialect I use is Cork Irish.
Ar sgáth a chéile a mhairid na daoine, lag agus láidir, uasal is íseal

Sorry Cian, I should have made that a new paragraph. Just in general when reading, e.g. Liam O'Maonlai's Second Course came with no transcript and so I am attempting to trancribe about 400 sentences - but none of them inidcate whether they are conversations between men or women - so when the male or female words are quite different, is there a default usage.

Oh dear, I can't even compose the question clearly.

Just answered my own question - I am listening to Liam say the words and can get most of them - I'll just be guided by what he says, until I do a more in depth course ..... many years down the track, if ever I get passed Beginner Stage.

Thanks again,
JulieA