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 Post subject: Tabharthach?
PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 5:54 pm 
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Cé acu is cirte, a chairde?:

"Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éirinn an lae inniu"

nó: "Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éire an lae inniu"


"Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éirinn an lae inniu?"

nó: "Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éire an lae inniu?"


Ar ndóigh, leanann an Tuiseal Tabharthach an réamhfhocal 'de', ach an ceart 'Éire an lae inniu' a fhágáil mar aonad gan athrú?


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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
PostPosted: Wed 30 Apr 2014 6:48 pm 
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A Hay Machine wrote:
Cé acu is cirte, a chairde?:

"Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éirinn an lae inniu"

nó: "Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éire an lae inniu"


"Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éirinn an lae inniu?"

nó: "Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éire an lae inniu?"


Ar ndóigh, leanann an Tuiseal Tabharthach an réamhfhocal 'de', ach an ceart 'Éire an lae inniu' a fhágáil mar aonad gan athrú?


I'm fairly certain that the dative (Éirinn) is always used after a preposition.

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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
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Redwolf wrote:
A Hay Machine wrote:
Cé acu is cirte, a chairde?:

"Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éirinn an lae inniu"

nó: "Níl áit ar bith ag an reiligiún in Éire an lae inniu"


"Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éirinn an lae inniu?"

nó: "Céard a cheapfadh Naomh Pádraig d'Éire an lae inniu?"


Ar ndóigh, leanann an Tuiseal Tabharthach an réamhfhocal 'de', ach an ceart 'Éire an lae inniu' a fhágáil mar aonad gan athrú?

I'm fairly certain that the dative (Éirinn) is always used after a preposition.

Redwolf

Deirimse freisin gurb iad "in Éirinn" agus "d'Éirinn"" is cirte.

Dinneen has:

i dteinidh an lae "in the heat of the day"

where teine (= tine) is in the dative, even though it is in a genitive compound construction, i.e., teine an lae.

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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
PostPosted: Thu 01 May 2014 9:48 am 
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Yeah normally after such prepositions, Éirinn is used, in all dialects I think (anyway in many dialects, they use Éirinn instead of Éire even in the nominative).

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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
PostPosted: Thu 01 May 2014 5:23 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Yeah normally after such prepositions, Éirinn is used, in all dialects I think (anyway in many dialects, they use Éirinn instead of Éire even in the nominative).


:good:

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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Yeah normally after such prepositions, Éirinn is used, in all dialects I think (anyway in many dialects, they use Éirinn instead of Éire even in the nominative).

:good:

I knew there was a reason that Éirinn just "felt right" anyway. :darklaugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Tabharthach?
PostPosted: Thu 01 May 2014 5:45 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Yeah normally after such prepositions, Éirinn is used, in all dialects I think (anyway in many dialects, they use Éirinn instead of Éire even in the nominative).

:good:

I knew there was a reason that Éirinn just "felt right" anyway. :darklaugh:

When I was a child I'd see "Éire" written, on postage stamps etc., and wonder how come nobody ever says it that way. :LOL:

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